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On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: > diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 > --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y > CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m > CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y > CONFIG_SMSC911X=y > +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y > CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? Arnd -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
On 08.10.2015 16:41, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: >> diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 >> --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y >> CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m >> CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y >> CONFIG_SMSC911X=y >> +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y >> CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y >> CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y >> CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y > > Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? What about nfsroot boots? We were discussing this also here: http://linux-arm-kernel.infradead.narkive.com/lG5g4hrB/patch-arm-multi-v7-defconfig-enable-usb3503 and actually I would be happy to see a confirmed policy about that. Everything should be a module for multi_v7? Best regards, Krzysztof -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
On Thursday 08 October 2015 16:46:27 Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > On 08.10.2015 16:41, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: > >> diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > >> index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 > >> --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > >> +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > >> @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y > >> CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m > >> CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y > >> CONFIG_SMSC911X=y > >> +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y > >> CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y > >> CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y > >> CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y > > > > Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? > > What about nfsroot boots? We were discussing this also here: > http://linux-arm-kernel.infradead.narkive.com/lG5g4hrB/patch-arm-multi-v7-defconfig-enable-usb3503 > > and actually I would be happy to see a confirmed policy about that. > Everything should be a module for multi_v7? We try to make as much as possible modular here, and NFS root is a corner case: it's possible to do NFS root with an initramfs, but it's easier not to. Is it something you do a lot on this hardware? Arnd -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
On Thu, 2015-10-08 at 10:37 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Thursday 08 October 2015 16:46:27 Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > On 08.10.2015 16:41, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 > > > > --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y > > > > CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m > > > > CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y > > > > CONFIG_SMSC911X=y > > > > +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y > > > > CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y > > > > > > Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? > > > > What about nfsroot boots? We were discussing this also here: > > http://linux-arm-kernel.infradead.narkive.com/lG5g4hrB/patch-arm-mu > > lti-v7-defconfig-enable-usb3503 > > > > and actually I would be happy to see a confirmed policy about that. > > Everything should be a module for multi_v7? > > We try to make as much as possible modular here, and NFS root is a > corner > case: it's possible to do NFS root with an initramfs, but it's easier > not > to. Is it something you do a lot on this hardware? It's a workflow thing though, not a hardware specific thing. I personally tend to use NFS root quite often and so do various colleagues irrespective of the hardware (and an XU4 is bound to appear on my desk someday). Now I personally really don't mind whether NFS root requires a ramdisk or not (though some consistency would be nice). However deciding it on a per device basis just makes everything quite fuzzy (e.g. my recent rockchip multi_v7 patchset first ended up in a similar discussion, though v2 was merged without further comments when I indicated in the cover letter that i used the NFS root use-case as one of the deciding factors for y vs. m). It would be really good to see someone put their foot down on the general policy (e.g. the arm-soc maintainers?), such that this discussion doesn't need to happen every time :)
On Thursday 08 October 2015 11:27:13 Sjoerd Simons wrote: > On Thu, 2015-10-08 at 10:37 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 16:46:27 Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > > On 08.10.2015 16:41, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: > > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 > > > > > --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y > > > > > CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m > > > > > CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y > > > > > CONFIG_SMSC911X=y > > > > > +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y > > > > > CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y > > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y > > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y > > > > > > > > Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? > > > > > > What about nfsroot boots? We were discussing this also here: > > > http://linux-arm-kernel.infradead.narkive.com/lG5g4hrB/patch-arm-mu > > > lti-v7-defconfig-enable-usb3503 > > > > > > and actually I would be happy to see a confirmed policy about that. > > > Everything should be a module for multi_v7? > > > > We try to make as much as possible modular here, and NFS root is a > > corner > > case: it's possible to do NFS root with an initramfs, but it's easier > > not > > to. Is it something you do a lot on this hardware? > > It's a workflow thing though, not a hardware specific thing. I > personally tend to use NFS root quite often and so do various > colleagues irrespective of the hardware (and an XU4 is bound to appear > on my desk someday). > > Now I personally really don't mind whether NFS root requires a ramdisk > or not (though some consistency would be nice). However deciding it on > a per device basis just makes everything quite fuzzy (e.g. my recent > rockchip multi_v7 patchset first ended up in a similar discussion, > though v2 was merged without further comments when I indicated in the > cover letter that i used the NFS root use-case as one of the deciding > factors for y vs. m). > > It would be really good to see someone put their foot down on the > general policy (e.g. the arm-soc maintainers?), such that this > discussion doesn't need to happen every time Yes, agreed, that what I'm trying to do here ;-) I realize that building things as modules is a hassle, it is so for some things more than for others, so I keep asking the question to everyone to find out what a good balance is to make as much as possible modules without hurting too much. Once we have a firm policy in place, we should probably change all the existing symbols. Arnd -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Hi Arnd, On 8 October 2015 at 20:11, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote: > On Thursday 08 October 2015 11:27:13 Sjoerd Simons wrote: >> On Thu, 2015-10-08 at 10:37 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: >> > On Thursday 08 October 2015 16:46:27 Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: >> > > On 08.10.2015 16:41, Arnd Bergmann wrote: >> > > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: >> > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> > > > > b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> > > > > index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 >> > > > > --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig >> > > > > @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y >> > > > > CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m >> > > > > CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y >> > > > > CONFIG_SMSC911X=y >> > > > > +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y >> > > > > CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y >> > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y >> > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y >> > > > >> > > > Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? >> > > >> > > What about nfsroot boots? We were discussing this also here: >> > > http://linux-arm-kernel.infradead.narkive.com/lG5g4hrB/patch-arm-mu >> > > lti-v7-defconfig-enable-usb3503 >> > > >> > > and actually I would be happy to see a confirmed policy about that. >> > > Everything should be a module for multi_v7? >> > >> > We try to make as much as possible modular here, and NFS root is a >> > corner >> > case: it's possible to do NFS root with an initramfs, but it's easier >> > not >> > to. Is it something you do a lot on this hardware? >> >> It's a workflow thing though, not a hardware specific thing. I >> personally tend to use NFS root quite often and so do various >> colleagues irrespective of the hardware (and an XU4 is bound to appear >> on my desk someday). >> >> Now I personally really don't mind whether NFS root requires a ramdisk >> or not (though some consistency would be nice). However deciding it on >> a per device basis just makes everything quite fuzzy (e.g. my recent >> rockchip multi_v7 patchset first ended up in a similar discussion, >> though v2 was merged without further comments when I indicated in the >> cover letter that i used the NFS root use-case as one of the deciding >> factors for y vs. m). >> >> It would be really good to see someone put their foot down on the >> general policy (e.g. the arm-soc maintainers?), such that this >> discussion doesn't need to happen every time > > Yes, agreed, that what I'm trying to do here ;-) > > I realize that building things as modules is a hassle, it is so for > some things more than for others, so I keep asking the question > to everyone to find out what a good balance is to make as much as > possible modules without hurting too much. > > Once we have a firm policy in place, we should probably change all > the existing symbols. > > Arnd As long as we use correct exynos5422-odroidxu4.dtb is used in the boot.scr/boot.ini ethernet come up, build and tested using CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=m using multi_v7_defconfig. Not sure what is the policy for NFS booting. Do you want CONFIG_USB_RTL8152 to be build as module in exynos/multi_v7_defconfig. -Anand Moon -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
On Friday 09 October 2015 09:14:33 Anand Moon wrote: > As long as we use correct exynos5422-odroidxu4.dtb is used in the > boot.scr/boot.ini ethernet come up, > build and tested using CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=m using multi_v7_defconfig. > > Not sure what is the policy for NFS booting. > > Do you want CONFIG_USB_RTL8152 to be build as module in > exynos/multi_v7_defconfig. The NFS booting is exactly the question here: Would it be a significant hassle for anyone to require using a ramdisk if they need NFS root? If we all think it would be an acceptable price, we should probably make all ethernet drivers loadable modules, as it is commonly done on distros. Arnd -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
On Thu, 2015-10-08 at 16:41 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Thursday 08 October 2015 11:27:13 Sjoerd Simons wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-10-08 at 10:37 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 16:46:27 Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > > > On 08.10.2015 16:41, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 08 October 2015 03:48:36 Anand Moon wrote: > > > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > > b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > > index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 > > > > > > --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > > +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig > > > > > > @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y > > > > > > CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m > > > > > > CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y > > > > > > CONFIG_SMSC911X=y > > > > > > +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y > > > > > > CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y > > > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y > > > > > > CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y > > > > > > > > > > Can we make that a loadable module for multi_v7_defconfig? > > > > > > > > What about nfsroot boots? We were discussing this also here: > > > > http://linux-arm-kernel.infradead.narkive.com/lG5g4hrB/patch-ar > > > > m-mu > > > > lti-v7-defconfig-enable-usb3503 > > > > > > > > and actually I would be happy to see a confirmed policy about > > > > that. > > > > Everything should be a module for multi_v7? > > > > > > We try to make as much as possible modular here, and NFS root is > > > a > > > corner > > > case: it's possible to do NFS root with an initramfs, but it's > > > easier > > > not > > > to. Is it something you do a lot on this hardware? > > > > It's a workflow thing though, not a hardware specific thing. I > > personally tend to use NFS root quite often and so do various > > colleagues irrespective of the hardware (and an XU4 is bound to > > appear > > on my desk someday). > > > > Now I personally really don't mind whether NFS root requires a > > ramdisk > > or not (though some consistency would be nice). However deciding it > > on > > a per device basis just makes everything quite fuzzy (e.g. my > > recent > > rockchip multi_v7 patchset first ended up in a similar discussion, > > though v2 was merged without further comments when I indicated in > > the > > cover letter that i used the NFS root use-case as one of the > > deciding > > factors for y vs. m). > > > > It would be really good to see someone put their foot down on the > > general policy (e.g. the arm-soc maintainers?), such that this > > discussion doesn't need to happen every time > > Yes, agreed, that what I'm trying to do here ;-) I see, sorry I misunderstood what you were after. > I realize that building things as modules is a hassle, it is so for > some things more than for others, so I keep asking the question > to everyone to find out what a good balance is to make as much as > possible modules without hurting too much. Fwiw, I don't find building modules overly cumbersome. Getting an initramfs capable of moving on to an NFS root is mostly a one-time thing (not unlike setting up the nfs root itself) and injecting modules into it is relatively simple (doubly so if taking advantage of the multiple cpio archive feature linux has). Interestingly, for me not building things as modules in multi_v7 tends to cause more work as it hides a few categories of bugs that tend to crop up once building distro kernels (e.g. missing module aliases, missing module device table entries, implicitly relying on clocks being active during probe as unused clocks only get turned of late in the init sequence etc). > Once we have a firm policy in place, we should probably change all > the existing symbols. ++
On Friday 09 October 2015 11:59:05 Sjoerd Simons wrote: > > > I realize that building things as modules is a hassle, it is so for > > some things more than for others, so I keep asking the question > > to everyone to find out what a good balance is to make as much as > > possible modules without hurting too much. > > Fwiw, I don't find building modules overly cumbersome. Getting an > initramfs capable of moving on to an NFS root is mostly a one-time > thing (not unlike setting up the nfs root itself) and injecting modules > into it is relatively simple (doubly so if taking advantage of the > multiple cpio archive feature linux has). > > Interestingly, for me not building things as modules in multi_v7 tends > to cause more work as it hides a few categories of bugs that tend to > crop up once building distro kernels (e.g. missing module aliases, > missing module device table entries, implicitly relying on clocks being > active during probe as unused clocks only get turned of late in the > init sequence etc). > Ok, let's try to make all future network drivers modules in the multi_v7_defconfig then, and get people to use an initramfs if they need NFS root. If nobody complains too loudly for the next few releases, we can change the existing drivers to =m as well. Arnd -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
W dniu 09.10.2015 o 19:28, Arnd Bergmann pisze: > On Friday 09 October 2015 11:59:05 Sjoerd Simons wrote: >> >>> I realize that building things as modules is a hassle, it is so for >>> some things more than for others, so I keep asking the question >>> to everyone to find out what a good balance is to make as much as >>> possible modules without hurting too much. >> >> Fwiw, I don't find building modules overly cumbersome. Getting an >> initramfs capable of moving on to an NFS root is mostly a one-time >> thing (not unlike setting up the nfs root itself) and injecting modules >> into it is relatively simple (doubly so if taking advantage of the >> multiple cpio archive feature linux has). >> >> Interestingly, for me not building things as modules in multi_v7 tends >> to cause more work as it hides a few categories of bugs that tend to >> crop up once building distro kernels (e.g. missing module aliases, >> missing module device table entries, implicitly relying on clocks being >> active during probe as unused clocks only get turned of late in the >> init sequence etc). >> > > Ok, let's try to make all future network drivers modules in the > multi_v7_defconfig then, and get people to use an initramfs > if they need NFS root. If nobody complains too loudly for the > next few releases, we can change the existing drivers to =m as well. Personally I don't use NFS root and we don't have such configurations at work. At least I am not aware of such. So from my point of view network adapters as module is okay. Anand, Can you change it in multi_v7 patch to module? Best regards, Krzysztof -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Hi Krzysztof, On 9 October 2015 at 16:17, Krzysztof Kozlowski <k.kozlowski@samsung.com> wrote: > W dniu 09.10.2015 o 19:28, Arnd Bergmann pisze: >> On Friday 09 October 2015 11:59:05 Sjoerd Simons wrote: >>> >>>> I realize that building things as modules is a hassle, it is so for >>>> some things more than for others, so I keep asking the question >>>> to everyone to find out what a good balance is to make as much as >>>> possible modules without hurting too much. >>> >>> Fwiw, I don't find building modules overly cumbersome. Getting an >>> initramfs capable of moving on to an NFS root is mostly a one-time >>> thing (not unlike setting up the nfs root itself) and injecting modules >>> into it is relatively simple (doubly so if taking advantage of the >>> multiple cpio archive feature linux has). >>> >>> Interestingly, for me not building things as modules in multi_v7 tends >>> to cause more work as it hides a few categories of bugs that tend to >>> crop up once building distro kernels (e.g. missing module aliases, >>> missing module device table entries, implicitly relying on clocks being >>> active during probe as unused clocks only get turned of late in the >>> init sequence etc). >>> >> >> Ok, let's try to make all future network drivers modules in the >> multi_v7_defconfig then, and get people to use an initramfs >> if they need NFS root. If nobody complains too loudly for the >> next few releases, we can change the existing drivers to =m as well. > > Personally I don't use NFS root and we don't have such configurations at > work. At least I am not aware of such. So from my point of view network > adapters as module is okay. > > Anand, > Can you change it in multi_v7 patch to module? > > Best regards, > Krzysztof Yes I will change this to build as module for multi_v7, and resend the patch. -Anand Moon -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-samsung-soc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig index 1ff2bfa..5d1937b 100644 --- a/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig +++ b/arch/arm/configs/exynos_defconfig @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y CONFIG_SMSC911X=y +CONFIG_USB_RTL8152=y CONFIG_USB_USBNET=y CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC75XX=y CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y