Message ID | 20181005081333.15018-1-ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org (mailing list archive) |
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Headers | show |
Series | patchable function pointers for pluggable crypto routines | expand |
Hi Ard, On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:13 AM Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote: > At the moment, the Zinc library [1] is being proposed as a solution for that, > and while it does address the usability problems, it does a lot more than > that, and what we end up with is a lot less flexible than what we have now. > > Currently, arch specific implementations (based on SIMD or optimized > assembler) live in arch/*/crypto, where each sub-community is in charge > of its own specialized versions of the various primitives (although still > under the purview of the crypto maintainer). Any proposal to change this > model should be judged on its own merit, and not blindly accepted as the > fallout of cleaning up some library code. > > Also, Zinc removes the possibility to plug different versions of a routine, > and instead, keeps all versions in the same module. Currently, the kernel's > module support permits user land to take charge of the policies that decide > which version to use in which context (by loading or blacklisting modules). I think this explanation misunderstands many of the design goals of Zinc and also points to why going your direction instead is a bad idea that will cause even more problems down the road. Zinc does several important things: - Introduces direct C function calls throughout, as a central way of being implemented and as a central way of being used by consumers of the API. This has various obvious benefits for the consumers of the API, but it also has big benefits for the developers of the library as well. Namely, it keeps the relationship between different parts extremely clear and direct. It's an explicit choice for simplicity. And by being the simpler and more direct solution, it also gives gcc an important opportunity to optimize and inline. - Reorganizes crypto routines so that they're grouped together by primitive. This again leads to a much simpler design and layout, making it more obvious what's happening, and making things generally cleaner. It is not only useful and clearer for developers, but it also makes contributors and auditors more easily aware of what implementations are available. - Has higher standards for code and implementations that are introduced. Zinc prefers code that has been formally verified, that has been in widespread usage and has received many eyeballs and fuzzing hours, that has been fuzzed extensively, that is simple in design, that comes from well-known high-quality authors -- in roughly but not precisely that order of preference. That's a bit different from the current practices of the existing crypto API. - Has a simpler mechanism that is just as effective for choosing available implementations. This is, again, more obvious and direct than the present crypto API's module approach, leads to smaller code size, and has the potential of being just as flexible with the inevitable desire for nobs, adjustable from userspace, from kernelspace, or from elsewhere. - Is designed to promote collaboration with the larger cryptography community and with academia, which will yield better implementations and for assurance. - Can easily be extracted to userspace libraries (perhaps a future libzinc could be easily based on it), which makes testing and fuzzing using tools like libfuzzer and afl more accessible. - Has faster implementations than the current crypto API. - Has, again, a very strong focus on being simple and minimal, as opposed to bloated and complicated, so that it's actually possible to understand and audit the library. Therefore, I think this patch goes in exactly the wrong direction. I mean, if you want to introduce dynamic patching as a means for making the crypto API's dynamic dispatch stuff not as slow in a post-spectre world, sure, go for it; that may very well be a good idea. But presenting it as an alternative to Zinc very widely misses the point and serves to prolong a series of bad design choices, which are now able to be rectified by putting energy into Zinc instead. Jason
On 5 October 2018 at 15:37, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote: ... > Therefore, I think this patch goes in exactly the wrong direction. I > mean, if you want to introduce dynamic patching as a means for making > the crypto API's dynamic dispatch stuff not as slow in a post-spectre > world, sure, go for it; that may very well be a good idea. But > presenting it as an alternative to Zinc very widely misses the point and > serves to prolong a series of bad design choices, which are now able to > be rectified by putting energy into Zinc instead. > This series has nothing to do with dynamic dispatch: the call sites call crypto functions using ordinary function calls (although my example uses CRC-T10DIF), and these calls are redirected via what is essentially a PLT entry, so that we can supsersede those routines at runtime.
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:15 AM Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote: > > On 5 October 2018 at 15:37, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote: > ... > > Therefore, I think this patch goes in exactly the wrong direction. I > > mean, if you want to introduce dynamic patching as a means for making > > the crypto API's dynamic dispatch stuff not as slow in a post-spectre > > world, sure, go for it; that may very well be a good idea. But > > presenting it as an alternative to Zinc very widely misses the point and > > serves to prolong a series of bad design choices, which are now able to > > be rectified by putting energy into Zinc instead. > > > > This series has nothing to do with dynamic dispatch: the call sites > call crypto functions using ordinary function calls (although my > example uses CRC-T10DIF), and these calls are redirected via what is > essentially a PLT entry, so that we can supsersede those routines at > runtime. If you really want to do it PLT-style, then just do: extern void whatever_func(args); Call it like: whatever_func(args here); And rig up something to emit asm like: GLOBAL(whatever_func) jmpq default_whatever_func ENDPROC(whatever_func) Architectures without support can instead do: void whatever_func(args) { READ_ONCE(patchable_function_struct_for_whatever_func->ptr)(args); } and patch the asm function for basic support. It will be slower than necessary, but maybe the relocation trick could be used on top of this to redirect the call to whatever_func directly to the target for architectures that want to squeeze out the last bit of performance. This might actually be the best of all worlds: easy implementation on all architectures, no inline asm, and the totally non-magical version works with okay performance. (Is this what your code is doing? I admit I didn't follow all the way through all the macros.)
On 5 October 2018 at 19:26, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:15 AM Ard Biesheuvel > <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote: >> >> On 5 October 2018 at 15:37, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote: >> ... >> > Therefore, I think this patch goes in exactly the wrong direction. I >> > mean, if you want to introduce dynamic patching as a means for making >> > the crypto API's dynamic dispatch stuff not as slow in a post-spectre >> > world, sure, go for it; that may very well be a good idea. But >> > presenting it as an alternative to Zinc very widely misses the point and >> > serves to prolong a series of bad design choices, which are now able to >> > be rectified by putting energy into Zinc instead. >> > >> >> This series has nothing to do with dynamic dispatch: the call sites >> call crypto functions using ordinary function calls (although my >> example uses CRC-T10DIF), and these calls are redirected via what is >> essentially a PLT entry, so that we can supsersede those routines at >> runtime. > > If you really want to do it PLT-style, then just do: > > extern void whatever_func(args); > > Call it like: > whatever_func(args here); > > And rig up something to emit asm like: > > GLOBAL(whatever_func) > jmpq default_whatever_func > ENDPROC(whatever_func) > > Architectures without support can instead do: > > void whatever_func(args) > { > READ_ONCE(patchable_function_struct_for_whatever_func->ptr)(args); > } > > and patch the asm function for basic support. It will be slower than > necessary, but maybe the relocation trick could be used on top of this > to redirect the call to whatever_func directly to the target for > architectures that want to squeeze out the last bit of performance. > This might actually be the best of all worlds: easy implementation on > all architectures, no inline asm, and the totally non-magical version > works with okay performance. > > (Is this what your code is doing? I admit I didn't follow all the way > through all the macros.) Basically
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:28 AM Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote: > > On 5 October 2018 at 19:26, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:15 AM Ard Biesheuvel > > <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote: > >> > >> On 5 October 2018 at 15:37, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote: > >> ... > >> > Therefore, I think this patch goes in exactly the wrong direction. I > >> > mean, if you want to introduce dynamic patching as a means for making > >> > the crypto API's dynamic dispatch stuff not as slow in a post-spectre > >> > world, sure, go for it; that may very well be a good idea. But > >> > presenting it as an alternative to Zinc very widely misses the point and > >> > serves to prolong a series of bad design choices, which are now able to > >> > be rectified by putting energy into Zinc instead. > >> > > >> > >> This series has nothing to do with dynamic dispatch: the call sites > >> call crypto functions using ordinary function calls (although my > >> example uses CRC-T10DIF), and these calls are redirected via what is > >> essentially a PLT entry, so that we can supsersede those routines at > >> runtime. > > > > If you really want to do it PLT-style, then just do: > > > > extern void whatever_func(args); > > > > Call it like: > > whatever_func(args here); > > > > And rig up something to emit asm like: > > > > GLOBAL(whatever_func) > > jmpq default_whatever_func > > ENDPROC(whatever_func) > > > > Architectures without support can instead do: > > > > void whatever_func(args) > > { > > READ_ONCE(patchable_function_struct_for_whatever_func->ptr)(args); > > } > > > > and patch the asm function for basic support. It will be slower than > > necessary, but maybe the relocation trick could be used on top of this > > to redirect the call to whatever_func directly to the target for > > architectures that want to squeeze out the last bit of performance. > > This might actually be the best of all worlds: easy implementation on > > all architectures, no inline asm, and the totally non-magical version > > works with okay performance. > > > > (Is this what your code is doing? I admit I didn't follow all the way > > through all the macros.) > > Basically Adding Josh Poimboeuf. Here's a sketch of how this could work for better performance. For a static call "foo" that returns void and takes no arguments, the generic implementation does something like this: extern void foo(void); struct static_call { void (*target)(void); /* arch-specific part containing an array of struct static_call_site */ }; void foo(void) { READ_ONCE(__static_call_foo->target)(); } Arch code overrides it to: GLOBAL(foo) jmpq *__static_call_foo(%rip) ENDPROC(foo) and some extra asm to emit a static_call_site object saying that the address "foo" is a jmp/call instruction where the operand is at offset 1 into the instruction. (Or whatever the offset is.) The patch code is like: void set_static_call(struct static_call *call, void *target) { /* take a spinlock? */ WRITE_ONCE(call->target, target); arch_set_static_call(call, target); } and the arch code patches the call site if needed. On x86, an even better implementation would have objtool make a bunch of additional static_call_site objects for each call to foo, and arch_set_static_call() would update all of them, too. Using text_poke_bp() if needed, and "if needed" can maybe be clever and check the alignment of the instruction. I admit that I never actually remember the full rules for atomically patching an instruction on x86 SMP. (Hmm. This will be really epically slow. Maybe we don't care. Or we could finally optimize text_poke, etc to take a list of pokes to do and do them as a batch. But that's not a prerequisite for the rest of this.) What do you all think?