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Series | mm / virtio: Provide support for unused page reporting | expand |
On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: [...] > In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to > a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used > by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should > resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do > not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it > will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. > > If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free > list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary > which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the > bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the > reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. Is this any different from the previous version? The last review feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to maintain its free lists. If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. There are none in this cover letter unfortunately. This will be really a hard sell without them.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 7:23 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote: > > On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: > [...] > > In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to > > a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used > > by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should > > resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do > > not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it > > will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. > > > > If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free > > list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary > > which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the > > bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the > > reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. > > Is this any different from the previous version? The last review > feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an > externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to > maintain its free lists. The main change for v10 versus v9 is that I allow the page reporting boundary to be overridden. Specifically there are two approaches that can be taken. The first is to simply reset the iterator for whatever list is updated. What this will do is reset the iterator back to list_head and then you can do whatever you want with that specific list. The other option is to simply clear the ZONE_PAGE_REPORTING_ACTIVE bit. That will essentially notify the page reporting code that any/all hints that were recorded have been discarded and that it needs to start over. All I am trying to do with this approach is reduce the work. Without doing this the code has to walk the entire free page list for the higher orders every iteration and that will not be cheap. Admittedly it is a bit more invasive than the cut/splice logic used in compaction which is taking the pages it has already processed and moving them to the other end of the list. However, I have reduced things so that we only really are limiting where add_to_free_list_tail can place pages, and we are having to check/push back the boundaries if a reported page is removed from a free_list. > If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear > very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. > There are none in this cover letter unfortunately. This will be really a > hard sell without them. So I had considered several different approaches. What I started out with was logic that was performing the hinting as a part of the architecture specific arch_free_page call. It worked but had performance issues as we were generating a hint per page freed which has fairly high overhead. The approach Nitesh has been using is to try and maintain a separate bitmap of "dirty" pages that have recently been freed. There are a few problems I saw with that approach. First is the fact that it becomes lossy in that pages could be reallocated out while we are waiting for the iterator to come through and process the page. This results in there being a greater amount of work as we have to hunt and peck for the pages, as such the zone lock has to be freed and reacquired often which slows this approach down further. Secondly there is the management of the bitmap itself and sparse memory which would likely necessitate doing something similar to pageblock_flags on order to support possible gaps in the zones. I had considered trying to maintain a separate list entirely and have the free pages placed there. However that was more invasive then this solution. In addition modifying the free_list/free_area in any way is problematic as it can result in the zone lock falling into the same cacheline as the highest order free_area. Ultimately what I settled on was the approach we have now where adding a page to the head of the free_list is unchanged, adding a page to the tail requires a check to see if the iterator is currently walking the list, and removing the page requires pushing back the iterator if the page is at the top of the reported list. I was trying to keep the amount of code that would have to be touched in the non-reported case to a minimum. With this we have to test for a bit in the zone flags if adding to tail, and we have to test for a bit in the page on a move/del from the freelist. So for the most common free/alloc cases we would only have the impact of the one additional page flag check.
On 24.09.19 16:23, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: > [...] >> In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to >> a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used >> by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should >> resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do >> not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it >> will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. >> >> If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free >> list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary >> which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the >> bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the >> reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. > > Is this any different from the previous version? The last review > feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an > externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to > maintain its free lists. > > If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear > very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. Adding to what Alexander said, I don't consider the other approaches (especially the bitmap-based approach Nitesh is currently working on) infeasible. There might be more rough edges (e.g., sparse zones) and eventually sometimes a little more work to be done, but definitely feasible. Incorporating stuff into the buddy might make some tasks (e.g., identify free pages) more efficient. I still somewhat like the idea of capturing hints of free pages (in whatever data structure) and then going over the hints, seeing if the pages are still free. Then only temporarily isolating the still-free pages, reporting them, and un-isolating them after they were reported. I like the idea that the pages are not fake-allocated but only temporarily blocked. That works nicely e.g., with the movable zone (contain only movable data). But anyhow, after decades of people working on free page hinting/reporting, I am happy with anything that gets accepted upstream :D
On 9/24/19 11:32 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote: > On 24.09.19 16:23, Michal Hocko wrote: >> On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: >> [...] >>> In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to >>> a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used >>> by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should >>> resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do >>> not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it >>> will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. >>> >>> If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free >>> list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary >>> which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the >>> bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the >>> reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. >> Is this any different from the previous version? The last review >> feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an >> externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to >> maintain its free lists. >> >> If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear >> very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. > Adding to what Alexander said, I don't consider the other approaches > (especially the bitmap-based approach Nitesh is currently working on) > infeasible. There might be more rough edges (e.g., sparse zones) and > eventually sometimes a little more work to be done, but definitely > feasible. Incorporating stuff into the buddy might make some tasks > (e.g., identify free pages) more efficient. My plan was to get a framework ready which can perform decently and is acceptable upstream (keeping core-mm changes to a minimum) and then keep optimizing it for different use-cases. Indeed, the bitmap-based approach may not be efficient for every available use case. But then I am not sure if we want to target that, considering it may require mm-changes. > I still somewhat like the idea of capturing hints of free pages (in > whatever data structure) and then going over the hints, seeing if the > pages are still free. Then only temporarily isolating the still-free > pages, reporting them, and un-isolating them after they were reported. I > like the idea that the pages are not fake-allocated but only temporarily > blocked. That works nicely e.g., with the movable zone (contain only > movable data). > > But anyhow, after decades of people working on free page > hinting/reporting, I am happy with anything that gets accepted upstream :D +1 >
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:32 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote: > > On 24.09.19 16:23, Michal Hocko wrote: > > On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: > > [...] > >> In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to > >> a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used > >> by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should > >> resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do > >> not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it > >> will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. > >> > >> If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free > >> list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary > >> which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the > >> bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the > >> reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. > > > > Is this any different from the previous version? The last review > > feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an > > externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to > > maintain its free lists. > > > > If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear > > very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. > > Adding to what Alexander said, I don't consider the other approaches > (especially the bitmap-based approach Nitesh is currently working on) > infeasible. There might be more rough edges (e.g., sparse zones) and > eventually sometimes a little more work to be done, but definitely > feasible. Incorporating stuff into the buddy might make some tasks > (e.g., identify free pages) more efficient. > > I still somewhat like the idea of capturing hints of free pages (in > whatever data structure) and then going over the hints, seeing if the > pages are still free. Then only temporarily isolating the still-free > pages, reporting them, and un-isolating them after they were reported. I > like the idea that the pages are not fake-allocated but only temporarily > blocked. That works nicely e.g., with the movable zone (contain only > movable data). One other change in this patch set is that I split the headers so that there is an internal header that resides in the mm tree and an external one that provides the page reporting device structure and the register/unregister functions. All that virtio-balloon knows is that it is registering a notifier and will be called with scatter gather lists for memory that is not currently in use by the kernel. It has no visibility into the internal free_areas or the current state of the buddy allocator. Rather than having two blocks that are both trying to maintain that state, I have consolidated it all into the buddy allocator with page reporting. > But anyhow, after decades of people working on free page > hinting/reporting, I am happy with anything that gets accepted upstream :D Agreed. After working on this for 9 months I would be happy to get something upstream that addresses this. - Alex
On 24.09.19 19:07, Alexander Duyck wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:32 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote: >> >> On 24.09.19 16:23, Michal Hocko wrote: >>> On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: >>> [...] >>>> In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to >>>> a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used >>>> by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should >>>> resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do >>>> not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it >>>> will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. >>>> >>>> If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free >>>> list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary >>>> which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the >>>> bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the >>>> reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. >>> >>> Is this any different from the previous version? The last review >>> feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an >>> externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to >>> maintain its free lists. >>> >>> If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear >>> very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. >> >> Adding to what Alexander said, I don't consider the other approaches >> (especially the bitmap-based approach Nitesh is currently working on) >> infeasible. There might be more rough edges (e.g., sparse zones) and >> eventually sometimes a little more work to be done, but definitely >> feasible. Incorporating stuff into the buddy might make some tasks >> (e.g., identify free pages) more efficient. >> >> I still somewhat like the idea of capturing hints of free pages (in >> whatever data structure) and then going over the hints, seeing if the >> pages are still free. Then only temporarily isolating the still-free >> pages, reporting them, and un-isolating them after they were reported. I >> like the idea that the pages are not fake-allocated but only temporarily >> blocked. That works nicely e.g., with the movable zone (contain only >> movable data). > > One other change in this patch set is that I split the headers so that > there is an internal header that resides in the mm tree and an > external one that provides the page reporting device structure and the > register/unregister functions. All that virtio-balloon knows is that > it is registering a notifier and will be called with scatter gather > lists for memory that is not currently in use by the kernel. It has no > visibility into the internal free_areas or the current state of the > buddy allocator. Rather than having two blocks that are both trying to > maintain that state, I have consolidated it all into the buddy > allocator with page reporting. > >> But anyhow, after decades of people working on free page >> hinting/reporting, I am happy with anything that gets accepted upstream :D > > Agreed. After working on this for 9 months I would be happy to get > something upstream that addresses this. IBM upstreamed their proprietary solution - 45e576b1c3d0 ("S390] guest page hinting light") - in 2008. Rik has presented a generic approach in 2011 (!) https://www.linux-kvm.org/images/f/ff/2011-forum-memory-overcommit.pdf I think Nitesh has been working on this (initially as an Intern) since Mid 2017. So yeah, this stuff has quite some history :) > > - Alex >
On Tue 24-09-19 08:20:22, Alexander Duyck wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 7:23 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote: > > > > On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: > > [...] > > > In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to > > > a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used > > > by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should > > > resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do > > > not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it > > > will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. > > > > > > If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free > > > list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary > > > which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the > > > bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the > > > reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. > > > > Is this any different from the previous version? The last review > > feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an > > externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to > > maintain its free lists. > > The main change for v10 versus v9 is that I allow the page reporting > boundary to be overridden. Specifically there are two approaches that > can be taken. > > The first is to simply reset the iterator for whatever list is > updated. What this will do is reset the iterator back to list_head and > then you can do whatever you want with that specific list. OK, this is slightly better than pushing the allocator to the corner. The allocator really has to be under control of its data structures. I would still be happier if the allocator wouldn't really have to bother about somebody snooping its internal state to do its own thing. So please make sure to describe why and how much this really matters. > The other option is to simply clear the ZONE_PAGE_REPORTING_ACTIVE > bit. That will essentially notify the page reporting code that any/all > hints that were recorded have been discarded and that it needs to > start over. > > All I am trying to do with this approach is reduce the work. Without > doing this the code has to walk the entire free page list for the > higher orders every iteration and that will not be cheap. How expensive this will be? > Admittedly > it is a bit more invasive than the cut/splice logic used in compaction > which is taking the pages it has already processed and moving them to > the other end of the list. However, I have reduced things so that we > only really are limiting where add_to_free_list_tail can place pages, > and we are having to check/push back the boundaries if a reported page > is removed from a free_list. > > > If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear > > very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. > > There are none in this cover letter unfortunately. This will be really a > > hard sell without them. > > So I had considered several different approaches. Thanks this is certainly useful and it would have been even more so if you gave some rough numbers to quantify how much overhead for different solutions we are talking about here.
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:22 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote: > > On Tue 24-09-19 08:20:22, Alexander Duyck wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 7:23 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: > > > [...] > > > > In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to > > > > a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used > > > > by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should > > > > resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do > > > > not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it > > > > will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. > > > > > > > > If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free > > > > list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary > > > > which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the > > > > bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the > > > > reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. > > > > > > Is this any different from the previous version? The last review > > > feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an > > > externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to > > > maintain its free lists. > > > > The main change for v10 versus v9 is that I allow the page reporting > > boundary to be overridden. Specifically there are two approaches that > > can be taken. > > > > The first is to simply reset the iterator for whatever list is > > updated. What this will do is reset the iterator back to list_head and > > then you can do whatever you want with that specific list. > > OK, this is slightly better than pushing the allocator to the corner. > The allocator really has to be under control of its data structures. > I would still be happier if the allocator wouldn't really have to bother > about somebody snooping its internal state to do its own thing. So > please make sure to describe why and how much this really matters. Okay I can try to do that. I suppose if nothing else I can put together a test patch that reverts these bits and can add documentation on the amount of regression seen without those bits. I should be able to get that taken care of and a v11 out in the next few days. > > The other option is to simply clear the ZONE_PAGE_REPORTING_ACTIVE > > bit. That will essentially notify the page reporting code that any/all > > hints that were recorded have been discarded and that it needs to > > start over. > > > > All I am trying to do with this approach is reduce the work. Without > > doing this the code has to walk the entire free page list for the > > higher orders every iteration and that will not be cheap. > > How expensive this will be? Well without this I believe the work goes from being O(n) to O(n^2) as we would have to walk the list every time we pull the batch of pages, so without the iterator we end up having walk the page list repeatedly. I suspect it becomes more expensive the more memory we have. I'll be able to verify it later today once I can generate some numbers. > > Admittedly > > it is a bit more invasive than the cut/splice logic used in compaction > > which is taking the pages it has already processed and moving them to > > the other end of the list. However, I have reduced things so that we > > only really are limiting where add_to_free_list_tail can place pages, > > and we are having to check/push back the boundaries if a reported page > > is removed from a free_list. > > > > > If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear > > > very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. > > > There are none in this cover letter unfortunately. This will be really a > > > hard sell without them. > > > > So I had considered several different approaches. > > Thanks this is certainly useful and it would have been even more so if > you gave some rough numbers to quantify how much overhead for different > solutions we are talking about here. I'll see what I can do. As far as the bitmap solution I think Nitesh has numbers for what he has been able to get out of it. At this point I would assume his solution for the virtio/QEMU bits is probably identical to mine so it should be easier to get an apples to apples comparison. Thanks. - Alex