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Hi, On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: > This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. > > Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical > panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations > is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a > panel. > > This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching > performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily > obtainable. > > For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized > modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like > to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and "simulated" panel? Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the usual way and would be the only panel we register? Maxime
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: >> This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. >> >> Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical >> panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations >> is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a >> panel. >> >> This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching >> performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily >> obtainable. >> >> For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized >> modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like >> to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). > > I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. Both too complicated and not complicated enough! :p > Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and > "simulated" panel? > > Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either > configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the > usual way and would be the only panel we register? I get the idea of trying to test DSI code without panels, and looking at the goals above, I think your vkms suggestion is going to fall short of those goals. However, my gut feeling is that creating a simulated panel to catch DSI misconfiguration etc. is going to be insanely complicated, and this series doesn't even scratch the surface. I guess my questions are, what's the scope here really, are those goals realistic, does more code already exist beyond this skeleton? BR, Jani.
Hi Jani and Maxime On 1/17/2024 2:16 AM, Jani Nikula wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: >>> This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. >>> >>> Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical >>> panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations >>> is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a >>> panel. >>> >>> This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching >>> performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily >>> obtainable. >>> >>> For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized >>> modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like >>> to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). >> >> I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. > > Both too complicated and not complicated enough! :p > The end goal is to have a framework to be able to validate the display pipeline with MIPI panels of any resolution , DSC/non-DSC, different MIPI flags etc. Historically, QC has been having an in-house framework to validate the panels in a simulated way as its logistically not possible to procure every panel from every vendor. This has been working pretty well but its not upstream yet. So we would like to work with the community to work on a model which works for everyone and this RFC was initiated with that in mind. There is simulation infrastructure in place in upstream for HDMI/DP in the form of chamelium based testing in IGT but no such fwk exists for DSI displays. Different MIPI panels and resolutions test out not only the DSI controller but the entire display pipeline as based on resolution, compression and MIPI mode flags different parts of the pipeline can get exercised. >> Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and >> "simulated" panel? >> As per my discussion on IRC with the panel/bridge maintainers and DT maintainers, a simulation panel does not qualify for its own devicetree as its not a real hardware so we needed to come up with a way to have a module which can be attached to the encoder without its own bindings and devicetree. Thats what led to this RFC. >> Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either >> configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the >> usual way and would be the only panel we register? > No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by simulating high resolution displays. > I get the idea of trying to test DSI code without panels, and looking at > the goals above, I think your vkms suggestion is going to fall short of > those goals. > > However, my gut feeling is that creating a simulated panel to catch DSI > misconfiguration etc. is going to be insanely complicated, and this > series doesn't even scratch the surface. > > I guess my questions are, what's the scope here really, are those goals > realistic, does more code already exist beyond this skeleton? > This series is only a starting RFC to be able to validate any display mode. This would have to be extended to be able to customize different pieces of the panel. Lets talk about the customizable pieces: 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) 2) Compression/non-compression 3) Command mode/Video mode 4) MIPI mode flags 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel Without a physical panel, yes its hard to validate if anything is wrong with (4) OR (5), the display might not come up at all visually. But from our experience, thats only a small portion and the real benefit of this framework will actually be from the validation failures we will catch from (1) to (4). This RFC only provides a way to customize (1) at the moment as we wanted to get some feedback from the community about the best way which will work for everyone to customize all these parameters. We are willing to expand this series based on the generic way we agree on to customize other params. Yes, debugfs is an option too. But typically MIPI displays need some parameters configured to attach the panel to the encoder. So perhaps we can boot the simulation panel with a default resolution passed through command line and then across a modeset switch (1) to (4). Thanks Abhinav > BR, > Jani. > > >
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 09:36:20AM -0800, Abhinav Kumar wrote: > Hi Jani and Maxime > > On 1/17/2024 2:16 AM, Jani Nikula wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: > > > > This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. > > > > > > > > Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical > > > > panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations > > > > is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a > > > > panel. > > > > > > > > This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching > > > > performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily > > > > obtainable. > > > > > > > > For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized > > > > modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like > > > > to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). > > > > > > I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. > > > > Both too complicated and not complicated enough! :p > > The end goal is to have a framework to be able to validate the display > pipeline with MIPI panels of any resolution , DSC/non-DSC, different MIPI > flags etc. > > Historically, QC has been having an in-house framework to validate the > panels in a simulated way as its logistically not possible to procure every > panel from every vendor. This has been working pretty well but its not > upstream yet. So we would like to work with the community to work on a model > which works for everyone and this RFC was initiated with that in mind. I think the goal was pretty clear. My point was more that there's no reason it should be driver specific, and having a second path for it doesn't really exert the actual panel path in the driver. I think a separate driver would be better. > There is simulation infrastructure in place in upstream for HDMI/DP in the > form of chamelium based testing in IGT but no such fwk exists for DSI > displays. > > Different MIPI panels and resolutions test out not only the DSI controller > but the entire display pipeline as based on resolution, compression and MIPI > mode flags different parts of the pipeline can get exercised. > > > > Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and > > > "simulated" panel? > > > > > As per my discussion on IRC with the panel/bridge maintainers and DT > maintainers, a simulation panel does not qualify for its own devicetree as > its not a real hardware so we needed to come up with a way to have a module > which can be attached to the encoder without its own bindings and > devicetree. Thats what led to this RFC. I still think it's worth trying, there's plenty of virtual drivers in the DT already. But even then, DT policies shouldn't dictate general framework design decisions: we have other ways to probe panels than using the DT (by loading overlays, registering devices by hand, etc.). I still think it would be a good idea to try though. > > > Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either > > > configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the > > > usual way and would be the only panel we register? > > > > No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated > panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With > incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel > combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. > In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by > simulating high resolution displays. That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. > > I get the idea of trying to test DSI code without panels, and looking at > > the goals above, I think your vkms suggestion is going to fall short of > > those goals. > > > > However, my gut feeling is that creating a simulated panel to catch DSI > > misconfiguration etc. is going to be insanely complicated, and this > > series doesn't even scratch the surface. > > > > I guess my questions are, what's the scope here really, are those goals > > realistic, does more code already exist beyond this skeleton? > > > > > This series is only a starting RFC to be able to validate any display mode. > This would have to be extended to be able to customize different pieces of > the panel. Lets talk about the customizable pieces: > > 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) > 2) Compression/non-compression > 3) Command mode/Video mode > 4) MIPI mode flags > 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences > 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel > > Without a physical panel, yes its hard to validate if anything is wrong with > (4) OR (5), the display might not come up at all visually. But from our > experience, thats only a small portion and the real benefit of this > framework will actually be from the validation failures we will catch from > (1) to (4). > > This RFC only provides a way to customize (1) at the moment as we wanted to > get some feedback from the community about the best way which will work for > everyone to customize all these parameters. > > We are willing to expand this series based on the generic way we agree on to > customize other params. > > Yes, debugfs is an option too. But typically MIPI displays need some > parameters configured to attach the panel to the encoder. So perhaps we can > boot the simulation panel with a default resolution passed through command > line and then across a modeset switch (1) to (4). I think Jani's feeling was that it was going to be super complicated fairly fast so supporting more features would definitely help to get an idea of where this is going. Maxime
<adding device tree maintainers to comment> Hi Maxime On 1/26/2024 4:45 AM, Maxime Ripard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 09:36:20AM -0800, Abhinav Kumar wrote: >> Hi Jani and Maxime >> >> On 1/17/2024 2:16 AM, Jani Nikula wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: >>>>> This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. >>>>> >>>>> Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical >>>>> panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations >>>>> is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a >>>>> panel. >>>>> >>>>> This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching >>>>> performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily >>>>> obtainable. >>>>> >>>>> For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized >>>>> modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like >>>>> to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). >>>> >>>> I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. >>> >>> Both too complicated and not complicated enough! :p >> >> The end goal is to have a framework to be able to validate the display >> pipeline with MIPI panels of any resolution , DSC/non-DSC, different MIPI >> flags etc. >> >> Historically, QC has been having an in-house framework to validate the >> panels in a simulated way as its logistically not possible to procure every >> panel from every vendor. This has been working pretty well but its not >> upstream yet. So we would like to work with the community to work on a model >> which works for everyone and this RFC was initiated with that in mind. > > I think the goal was pretty clear. My point was more that there's no > reason it should be driver specific, and having a second path for it > doesn't really exert the actual panel path in the driver. I think a > separate driver would be better. > We can make this generic. That would be great actually. One option could be to move the modparam we have within the msm to the drm_of.c so that drm_of_find_panel_or_bridge shall return the sim panel if the modparam is passed to select a sim panel. So if we make this a compile time decision whether to use real panel or sim panel and just enable the appropriate config, we dont need the modparam and we can implement some policy in the drm_of to first check if sim panel is available and if not try the real panel then everything will just happen under-the-hood. But we thought that a modparam based switching might be convenient if users dont want to recompile the code to switch but will need to compile both the panels. >> There is simulation infrastructure in place in upstream for HDMI/DP in the >> form of chamelium based testing in IGT but no such fwk exists for DSI >> displays. >> >> Different MIPI panels and resolutions test out not only the DSI controller >> but the entire display pipeline as based on resolution, compression and MIPI >> mode flags different parts of the pipeline can get exercised. >> >>>> Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and >>>> "simulated" panel? >>>> >> >> As per my discussion on IRC with the panel/bridge maintainers and DT >> maintainers, a simulation panel does not qualify for its own devicetree as >> its not a real hardware so we needed to come up with a way to have a module >> which can be attached to the encoder without its own bindings and >> devicetree. Thats what led to this RFC. > > I still think it's worth trying, there's plenty of virtual drivers in > the DT already. But even then, DT policies shouldn't dictate general > framework design decisions: we have other ways to probe panels than > using the DT (by loading overlays, registering devices by hand, etc.). I > still think it would be a good idea to try though. > DT option would be great if accepted and will nicely solve the scalability issue of this as it desperately needs one. I have absolutely no concerns and would be glad if it will be accepted. Can the DT maintainers please comment if having a device tree for a simulation panel would work OR be considered because of the scalability of the number of panels which can be tried as Maxime wrote. >>>> Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either >>>> configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the >>>> usual way and would be the only panel we register? >>> >> >> No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated >> panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With >> incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel >> combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. >> In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by >> simulating high resolution displays. > > That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a > user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like > vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. > Let me respond for both this question and the one below from you/Jani. Certainly having user-configurable information is a goal here. The end-goal is to make everything there in the existing panels such as below like I wrote: 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) 2) Compression/non-compression 3) Command mode/Video mode 4) MIPI mode flags 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel But, we also have to see what all is feasible today from the DRM fwk standpoint. There are some limitations about what is boot-time configurable using bootparams and what is runtime configurable (across a modeset) using debugfs. 1) Today, everything part of struct mipi_dsi_device needs to be available at boot time from what I can see as we need that while calling mipi_dsi_attach(). So for that we went with boot-params. 2) For the list of modes, we can move this to a debugfs like "populate_modes" which the client using a sim panel can call before picking a mode and triggering a commit. But we need to have some default mode and configuration. This is where I am not totally sure of. On HDMI/DP sinks, we usually go with a default of 640x480 as that one is guaranteed to be supported across sinks. For MIPI displays, we will have to agree on some default configuration then. So, we can certainly add debugfs to make the runtime params but we need to start with some default during boot-up and move the others to debugfs. With vkms, can you pls point us to the debugfs patches you are referring to? With the current vkms, very little is available which is debugfs configurable (overlay, writeback and cursor support). Ofcourse, all these concerns go away if DT option gets accepted. >>> I get the idea of trying to test DSI code without panels, and looking at >>> the goals above, I think your vkms suggestion is going to fall short of >>> those goals. >>> >>> However, my gut feeling is that creating a simulated panel to catch DSI >>> misconfiguration etc. is going to be insanely complicated, and this >>> series doesn't even scratch the surface. >>> >>> I guess my questions are, what's the scope here really, are those goals >>> realistic, does more code already exist beyond this skeleton? >>> >> >> >> This series is only a starting RFC to be able to validate any display mode. >> This would have to be extended to be able to customize different pieces of >> the panel. Lets talk about the customizable pieces: >> >> 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) >> 2) Compression/non-compression >> 3) Command mode/Video mode >> 4) MIPI mode flags >> 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences >> 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel >> >> Without a physical panel, yes its hard to validate if anything is wrong with >> (4) OR (5), the display might not come up at all visually. But from our >> experience, thats only a small portion and the real benefit of this >> framework will actually be from the validation failures we will catch from >> (1) to (4). >> >> This RFC only provides a way to customize (1) at the moment as we wanted to >> get some feedback from the community about the best way which will work for >> everyone to customize all these parameters. >> >> We are willing to expand this series based on the generic way we agree on to >> customize other params. >> >> Yes, debugfs is an option too. But typically MIPI displays need some >> parameters configured to attach the panel to the encoder. So perhaps we can >> boot the simulation panel with a default resolution passed through command >> line and then across a modeset switch (1) to (4). > > I think Jani's feeling was that it was going to be super complicated > fairly fast so supporting more features would definitely help to get an > idea of where this is going. > > Maxime
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 11:05:12AM -0800, Abhinav Kumar wrote: > <adding device tree maintainers to comment> > > Hi Maxime > > On 1/26/2024 4:45 AM, Maxime Ripard wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 09:36:20AM -0800, Abhinav Kumar wrote: > > > Hi Jani and Maxime > > > > > > On 1/17/2024 2:16 AM, Jani Nikula wrote: > > > > On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: > > > > > > This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical > > > > > > panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations > > > > > > is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a > > > > > > panel. > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching > > > > > > performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily > > > > > > obtainable. > > > > > > > > > > > > For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized > > > > > > modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like > > > > > > to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. > > > > > > > > Both too complicated and not complicated enough! :p > > > > > > The end goal is to have a framework to be able to validate the display > > > pipeline with MIPI panels of any resolution , DSC/non-DSC, different MIPI > > > flags etc. > > > > > > Historically, QC has been having an in-house framework to validate the > > > panels in a simulated way as its logistically not possible to procure every > > > panel from every vendor. This has been working pretty well but its not > > > upstream yet. So we would like to work with the community to work on a model > > > which works for everyone and this RFC was initiated with that in mind. > > > > I think the goal was pretty clear. My point was more that there's no > > reason it should be driver specific, and having a second path for it > > doesn't really exert the actual panel path in the driver. I think a > > separate driver would be better. > > > > We can make this generic. That would be great actually. One option could be > to move the modparam we have within the msm to the drm_of.c so that > drm_of_find_panel_or_bridge shall return the sim panel if the modparam is > passed to select a sim panel. Yeah I think gluing this into drm_of_find_panel_or_bridge() would be great, should help get other drivers on board and also help with encouraging drivers to use panels/bridges correctly. > So if we make this a compile time decision whether to use real panel or sim > panel and just enable the appropriate config, we dont need the modparam and > we can implement some policy in the drm_of to first check if sim panel is > available and if not try the real panel then everything will just happen > under-the-hood. But we thought that a modparam based switching might be > convenient if users dont want to recompile the code to switch but will need > to compile both the panels. I think you can get to this point at runtime too: - add a debugfs interface to your drm-sim-panel.ko driver. or maybe dt overlay or whatever is most convenient to configure the panel to be the sim one and not the real one - load that drm-sim-panel.ko module first and configure it - load the real driver - some magic/heuristics/whatever in drm_of_find_panel_or_bridge to make sure things work. Yes this breaks all built-in configs, but I also think trying to configure a sim panel with modparams is going to be a lost cause, they're really tricky. See also my comment below. > > > There is simulation infrastructure in place in upstream for HDMI/DP in the > > > form of chamelium based testing in IGT but no such fwk exists for DSI > > > displays. > > > > > > Different MIPI panels and resolutions test out not only the DSI controller > > > but the entire display pipeline as based on resolution, compression and MIPI > > > mode flags different parts of the pipeline can get exercised. > > > > > > > > Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and > > > > > "simulated" panel? > > > > > > > > > > > As per my discussion on IRC with the panel/bridge maintainers and DT > > > maintainers, a simulation panel does not qualify for its own devicetree as > > > its not a real hardware so we needed to come up with a way to have a module > > > which can be attached to the encoder without its own bindings and > > > devicetree. Thats what led to this RFC. > > > > I still think it's worth trying, there's plenty of virtual drivers in > > the DT already. But even then, DT policies shouldn't dictate general > > framework design decisions: we have other ways to probe panels than > > using the DT (by loading overlays, registering devices by hand, etc.). I > > still think it would be a good idea to try though. > > > > DT option would be great if accepted and will nicely solve the scalability > issue of this as it desperately needs one. > > I have absolutely no concerns and would be glad if it will be accepted. > > Can the DT maintainers please comment if having a device tree for a > simulation panel would work OR be considered because of the scalability of > the number of panels which can be tried as Maxime wrote. > > > > > > Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either > > > > > configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the > > > > > usual way and would be the only panel we register? > > > > > > > > > > No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated > > > panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With > > > incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel > > > combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. > > > In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by > > > simulating high resolution displays. > > > > That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a > > user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like > > vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. > > > > Let me respond for both this question and the one below from you/Jani. > > Certainly having user-configurable information is a goal here. The end-goal > is to make everything there in the existing panels such as below like I > wrote: > > 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) > 2) Compression/non-compression > 3) Command mode/Video mode > 4) MIPI mode flags > 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences > 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel > > But, we also have to see what all is feasible today from the DRM fwk > standpoint. There are some limitations about what is boot-time configurable > using bootparams and what is runtime configurable (across a modeset) using > debugfs. > > 1) Today, everything part of struct mipi_dsi_device needs to be available at > boot time from what I can see as we need that while calling > mipi_dsi_attach(). So for that we went with boot-params. > > 2) For the list of modes, we can move this to a debugfs like > "populate_modes" which the client using a sim panel can call before picking > a mode and triggering a commit. > > But we need to have some default mode and configuration. Uh, at the risk of sounding a bit like I'm just chasing the latest buzzwords, but this sounds like something that's screaming for ebpf. Which is also the plan we discussed for allowing vkms to simulate more complex hardware eventually. Same design really: - use configfs - all the static stuff that needs to be fixed at panel registration time is going to be configfs files. That gives you a _lot_ more flexibility than trying to shoehoern everything into modparam. We've started that way for vkms, good for a first tech demo, not even close to good enough for a real testing/sim driver. - all the runtime hooks that control the very specific DSI flows would be in ebpf. For common cases maybe you can implement some of the callbacks entire in the sim driver in C and configure it using configfs, but for anything really complex it's probably going to be ebpf. And there's just no way you can load ebpf over a modparam, so at that point we absolutely do have to have configfs (iirc you can load/attach ebpf to files in a fairly flexible way, so that should be doable with configfs - it's definitely the plan for vkms atomic_check constraints and stuff like that). > This is where I am not totally sure of. On HDMI/DP sinks, we usually go with > a default of 640x480 as that one is guaranteed to be supported across sinks. > > For MIPI displays, we will have to agree on some default configuration then. > > So, we can certainly add debugfs to make the runtime params but we need to > start with some default during boot-up and move the others to debugfs. > > With vkms, can you pls point us to the debugfs patches you are referring to? > With the current vkms, very little is available which is debugfs > configurable (overlay, writeback and cursor support). It should actually be configfs. Unfortunately those patches haven't landed (yet). I think this is the latest version, not sure why it's not moved further: https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230829053201.423261-1-brpol@chromium.org/ Cheers, Sima > Ofcourse, all these concerns go away if DT option gets accepted. > > > > > I get the idea of trying to test DSI code without panels, and looking at > > > > the goals above, I think your vkms suggestion is going to fall short of > > > > those goals. > > > > > > > > However, my gut feeling is that creating a simulated panel to catch DSI > > > > misconfiguration etc. is going to be insanely complicated, and this > > > > series doesn't even scratch the surface. > > > > > > > > I guess my questions are, what's the scope here really, are those goals > > > > realistic, does more code already exist beyond this skeleton? > > > > > > > > > > > > > This series is only a starting RFC to be able to validate any display mode. > > > This would have to be extended to be able to customize different pieces of > > > the panel. Lets talk about the customizable pieces: > > > > > > 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) > > > 2) Compression/non-compression > > > 3) Command mode/Video mode > > > 4) MIPI mode flags > > > 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences > > > 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel > > > > > > Without a physical panel, yes its hard to validate if anything is wrong with > > > (4) OR (5), the display might not come up at all visually. But from our > > > experience, thats only a small portion and the real benefit of this > > > framework will actually be from the validation failures we will catch from > > > (1) to (4). > > > > > > This RFC only provides a way to customize (1) at the moment as we wanted to > > > get some feedback from the community about the best way which will work for > > > everyone to customize all these parameters. > > > > > > We are willing to expand this series based on the generic way we agree on to > > > customize other params. > > > > > > Yes, debugfs is an option too. But typically MIPI displays need some > > > parameters configured to attach the panel to the encoder. So perhaps we can > > > boot the simulation panel with a default resolution passed through command > > > line and then across a modeset switch (1) to (4). > > > > I think Jani's feeling was that it was going to be super complicated > > fairly fast so supporting more features would definitely help to get an > > idea of where this is going. > > > > Maxime
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 11:05:12AM -0800, Abhinav Kumar wrote: > <adding device tree maintainers to comment> > > Hi Maxime > > On 1/26/2024 4:45 AM, Maxime Ripard wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 09:36:20AM -0800, Abhinav Kumar wrote: > > > Hi Jani and Maxime > > > > > > On 1/17/2024 2:16 AM, Jani Nikula wrote: > > > > On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 02:22:03PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: > > > > > > This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical > > > > > > panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations > > > > > > is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a > > > > > > panel. > > > > > > > > > > > > This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching > > > > > > performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily > > > > > > obtainable. > > > > > > > > > > > > For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized > > > > > > modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like > > > > > > to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > I think that it's more complicated than it needs to be. > > > > > > > > Both too complicated and not complicated enough! :p > > > > > > The end goal is to have a framework to be able to validate the display > > > pipeline with MIPI panels of any resolution , DSC/non-DSC, different MIPI > > > flags etc. > > > > > > Historically, QC has been having an in-house framework to validate the > > > panels in a simulated way as its logistically not possible to procure every > > > panel from every vendor. This has been working pretty well but its not > > > upstream yet. So we would like to work with the community to work on a model > > > which works for everyone and this RFC was initiated with that in mind. > > > > I think the goal was pretty clear. My point was more that there's no > > reason it should be driver specific, and having a second path for it > > doesn't really exert the actual panel path in the driver. I think a > > separate driver would be better. > > > > We can make this generic. That would be great actually. One option could be > to move the modparam we have within the msm to the drm_of.c so that > drm_of_find_panel_or_bridge shall return the sim panel if the modparam is > passed to select a sim panel. > > So if we make this a compile time decision whether to use real panel or sim > panel and just enable the appropriate config, we dont need the modparam and > we can implement some policy in the drm_of to first check if sim panel is > available and if not try the real panel then everything will just happen > under-the-hood. But we thought that a modparam based switching might be > convenient if users dont want to recompile the code to switch but will need > to compile both the panels. I agree that a module parameter to select the simulated panel looks like the best option compared to a compile time option. > > > There is simulation infrastructure in place in upstream for HDMI/DP in the > > > form of chamelium based testing in IGT but no such fwk exists for DSI > > > displays. > > > > > > Different MIPI panels and resolutions test out not only the DSI controller > > > but the entire display pipeline as based on resolution, compression and MIPI > > > mode flags different parts of the pipeline can get exercised. > > > > > > > > Why do we need to support (and switch to) both the actual and > > > > > "simulated" panel? > > > > > > > > > > > As per my discussion on IRC with the panel/bridge maintainers and DT > > > maintainers, a simulation panel does not qualify for its own devicetree as > > > its not a real hardware so we needed to come up with a way to have a module > > > which can be attached to the encoder without its own bindings and > > > devicetree. Thats what led to this RFC. > > > > I still think it's worth trying, there's plenty of virtual drivers in > > the DT already. But even then, DT policies shouldn't dictate general > > framework design decisions: we have other ways to probe panels than > > using the DT (by loading overlays, registering devices by hand, etc.). I > > still think it would be a good idea to try though. > > > > DT option would be great if accepted and will nicely solve the scalability > issue of this as it desperately needs one. > > I have absolutely no concerns and would be glad if it will be accepted. > > Can the DT maintainers please comment if having a device tree for a > simulation panel would work OR be considered because of the scalability of > the number of panels which can be tried as Maxime wrote. > > > > > > Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either > > > > > configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the > > > > > usual way and would be the only panel we register? > > > > > > > > > > No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated > > > panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With > > > incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel > > > combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. > > > In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by > > > simulating high resolution displays. > > > > That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a > > user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like > > vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. > > > > Let me respond for both this question and the one below from you/Jani. > > Certainly having user-configurable information is a goal here. The end-goal > is to make everything there in the existing panels such as below like I > wrote: > > 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) > 2) Compression/non-compression > 3) Command mode/Video mode > 4) MIPI mode flags > 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences > 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel > > But, we also have to see what all is feasible today from the DRM fwk > standpoint. There are some limitations about what is boot-time configurable > using bootparams and what is runtime configurable (across a modeset) using > debugfs. > > 1) Today, everything part of struct mipi_dsi_device needs to be available at > boot time from what I can see as we need that while calling > mipi_dsi_attach(). So for that we went with boot-params. > > 2) For the list of modes, we can move this to a debugfs like > "populate_modes" which the client using a sim panel can call before picking > a mode and triggering a commit. > > But we need to have some default mode and configuration. > > This is where I am not totally sure of. On HDMI/DP sinks, we usually go with > a default of 640x480 as that one is guaranteed to be supported across sinks. > > For MIPI displays, we will have to agree on some default configuration then. > > So, we can certainly add debugfs to make the runtime params but we need to > start with some default during boot-up and move the others to debugfs. > > With vkms, can you pls point us to the debugfs patches you are referring to? > With the current vkms, very little is available which is debugfs > configurable (overlay, writeback and cursor support). > > Ofcourse, all these concerns go away if DT option gets accepted. Not entirely, no. You won't be able to express the command sequences properly through the DT for example, so we would need some kind of interface like that anyway. Maxime
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 09:53:13AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > > > Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either > > > > > > configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the > > > > > > usual way and would be the only panel we register? > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated > > > > panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With > > > > incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel > > > > combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. > > > > In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by > > > > simulating high resolution displays. > > > > > > That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a > > > user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like > > > vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. > > > > > > > Let me respond for both this question and the one below from you/Jani. > > > > Certainly having user-configurable information is a goal here. The end-goal > > is to make everything there in the existing panels such as below like I > > wrote: > > > > 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) > > 2) Compression/non-compression > > 3) Command mode/Video mode > > 4) MIPI mode flags > > 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences > > 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel > > > > But, we also have to see what all is feasible today from the DRM fwk > > standpoint. There are some limitations about what is boot-time configurable > > using bootparams and what is runtime configurable (across a modeset) using > > debugfs. > > > > 1) Today, everything part of struct mipi_dsi_device needs to be available at > > boot time from what I can see as we need that while calling > > mipi_dsi_attach(). So for that we went with boot-params. > > > > 2) For the list of modes, we can move this to a debugfs like > > "populate_modes" which the client using a sim panel can call before picking > > a mode and triggering a commit. > > > > But we need to have some default mode and configuration. > > Uh, at the risk of sounding a bit like I'm just chasing the latest > buzzwords, but this sounds like something that's screaming for ebpf. I make a half-joke to Jani on IRC about it, but I was also being half-serious. If the goal we want to have is to fully emulate any panel variation, ebpf really looks like the best and most flexible way forward. Maxime
On 2/2/2024 2:15 AM, Maxime Ripard wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 09:53:13AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: >>>>>>> Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either >>>>>>> configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the >>>>>>> usual way and would be the only panel we register? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated >>>>> panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With >>>>> incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel >>>>> combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. >>>>> In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by >>>>> simulating high resolution displays. >>>> >>>> That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a >>>> user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like >>>> vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. >>>> >>> >>> Let me respond for both this question and the one below from you/Jani. >>> >>> Certainly having user-configurable information is a goal here. The end-goal >>> is to make everything there in the existing panels such as below like I >>> wrote: >>> >>> 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) >>> 2) Compression/non-compression >>> 3) Command mode/Video mode >>> 4) MIPI mode flags >>> 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences >>> 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel >>> >>> But, we also have to see what all is feasible today from the DRM fwk >>> standpoint. There are some limitations about what is boot-time configurable >>> using bootparams and what is runtime configurable (across a modeset) using >>> debugfs. >>> >>> 1) Today, everything part of struct mipi_dsi_device needs to be available at >>> boot time from what I can see as we need that while calling >>> mipi_dsi_attach(). So for that we went with boot-params. >>> >>> 2) For the list of modes, we can move this to a debugfs like >>> "populate_modes" which the client using a sim panel can call before picking >>> a mode and triggering a commit. >>> >>> But we need to have some default mode and configuration. >> >> Uh, at the risk of sounding a bit like I'm just chasing the latest >> buzzwords, but this sounds like something that's screaming for ebpf. > > I make a half-joke to Jani on IRC about it, but I was also being > half-serious. If the goal we want to have is to fully emulate any panel > variation, ebpf really looks like the best and most flexible way > forward. Hi Maxime and Daniel, For our current sim panel requirements, we can go with implementing the configfs first then add ebpf if requirements get more complex. Thanks, Jessica Zhang > > Maxime
On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:49:34PM -0800, Jessica Zhang wrote: > > > On 2/2/2024 2:15 AM, Maxime Ripard wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 09:53:13AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote: > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be simpler if we had a vkms-like panel that we could either > > > > > > > > configure from DT or from debugfs that would just be registered the > > > > > > > > usual way and would be the only panel we register? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, we need to have validate actual hardware pipeline with the simulated > > > > > > panel. With vkms, actual display pipeline will not be validated. With > > > > > > incorrect display pipeline misconfigurations arising from different panel > > > > > > combinations, this can easily be caught with any existing IGT CRC testing. > > > > > > In addition, all performance related bugs can also be easily caught by > > > > > > simulating high resolution displays. > > > > > > > > > > That's not what I meant. What I meant was that something like a > > > > > user-configurable, generic, panel driver would be a good idea. Just like > > > > > vkms (with the debugfs patches) is for a full blown KMS device. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me respond for both this question and the one below from you/Jani. > > > > > > > > Certainly having user-configurable information is a goal here. The end-goal > > > > is to make everything there in the existing panels such as below like I > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 1) Display resolution with timings (drm_display_mode) > > > > 2) Compression/non-compression > > > > 3) Command mode/Video mode > > > > 4) MIPI mode flags > > > > 5) DCS commands for panel enable/disable and other panel sequences > > > > 6) Power-up/Power-down sequence for the panel > > > > > > > > But, we also have to see what all is feasible today from the DRM fwk > > > > standpoint. There are some limitations about what is boot-time configurable > > > > using bootparams and what is runtime configurable (across a modeset) using > > > > debugfs. > > > > > > > > 1) Today, everything part of struct mipi_dsi_device needs to be available at > > > > boot time from what I can see as we need that while calling > > > > mipi_dsi_attach(). So for that we went with boot-params. > > > > > > > > 2) For the list of modes, we can move this to a debugfs like > > > > "populate_modes" which the client using a sim panel can call before picking > > > > a mode and triggering a commit. > > > > > > > > But we need to have some default mode and configuration. > > > > > > Uh, at the risk of sounding a bit like I'm just chasing the latest > > > buzzwords, but this sounds like something that's screaming for ebpf. > > > > I make a half-joke to Jani on IRC about it, but I was also being > > half-serious. If the goal we want to have is to fully emulate any panel > > variation, ebpf really looks like the best and most flexible way > > forward. > > Hi Maxime and Daniel, > > For our current sim panel requirements, we can go with implementing the > configfs first then add ebpf if requirements get more complex. Agreed, this is definitely the pragmatic approach to get this going. -Sima
This series introduces a simulated MIPI DSI panel. Currently, the only way to validate DSI connectors is with a physical panel. Since obtaining physical panels for all possible DSI configurations is logistically infeasible, introduce a way for DSI drivers to simulate a panel. This will be helpful in catching DSI misconfiguration bugs and catching performance issues for high FPS panels that might not be easily obtainable. For now, the simulated panel driver only supports setting customized modes via the panel_simlation.mode modparam. Eventually, we would like to add more customizations (such as configuring DSC, dual DSI, etc.). --- Jessica Zhang (4): drm/panel: add driver for simulated panel drm/dsi: Add API to register simulated DSI panel drm/panel: Introduce simulated panel bridge API drm/msm/dsi: Add simulated panel support drivers/gpu/drm/bridge/panel.c | 24 +++++ drivers/gpu/drm/drm_mipi_dsi.c | 30 +++++++ drivers/gpu/drm/drm_panel.c | 33 +++++++ drivers/gpu/drm/msm/dsi/dsi.c | 4 + drivers/gpu/drm/msm/dsi/dsi_host.c | 9 +- drivers/gpu/drm/msm/dsi/dsi_manager.c | 8 +- drivers/gpu/drm/panel/Kconfig | 9 ++ drivers/gpu/drm/panel/Makefile | 1 + drivers/gpu/drm/panel/panel-simulation.c | 147 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ include/drm/drm_bridge.h | 1 + include/drm/drm_mipi_dsi.h | 1 + include/drm/drm_panel.h | 1 + 12 files changed, 266 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- base-commit: 9ba3471618f1ab8df2f2689a34a505a72e05760a change-id: 20240102-jz-test-sim-panel-71c14a56716e Best regards,