Message ID | 20241029211607.2114845-1-peterx@redhat.com (mailing list archive) |
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Headers | show |
Series | QOM: Singleton interface | expand |
On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 05:16:00PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote: > v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20241024165627.1372621-1-peterx@redhat.com > Meanwhile, migration has a long standing issue on current_migration > pointer, where it can point to freed data after the migration object is > finalized. It is debatable that the pointer can be cleared after the main > thread (1) join() the migration thread first, then (2) release the last > refcount for the migration object and clear the pointer. However there's > still major challenges [1]. With singleton, we could have a slightly but > hopefully working workaround to clear the pointer during finalize(). I'm still not entirely convinced that this singleton proposal is fixing the migration problem correctly. Based on discussions in v1, IIUC, the situation is that we have migration_shutdown() being called from qemu_cleanup(). The former will call object_unref(current_migration), but there may still be background migration threads running that access 'current_migration', and thus a potential use-after-free. Based on what the 7th patch here does, the key difference is that the finalize() method for MigrationState will set 'current_migration' to NULL after free'ing it. I don't believe that is safe. Back to the current code, if there is a use-after-free today, that implies that the background threads are *not* holding their own reference on 'current_migration', allowing the object to be free'd while they're still using it. If they held their own reference then the object_unref in migration_shutdown would not have any use after free risk. The new code is not changing the ref counting done by any threads. Therefore if there's a use-after-free in existing code, AFAICT, the same use-after-free *must* still exist in the current code. The 7th patch only fixes the use-after-free, *if and only if* the background thread tries to access 'current_migration', /after/ finalize as completed. The use-after-free in this case, has been turned into a NULL pointer reference. A background thread could be accessing the 'current_migration' pointer *concurrently* with the finalize method executing though. In this case we still have a use after free problem, only the time window in which it exists has been narrowed a little. Shouldn't the problem with migration be solved by every migration thread holding a reference on current_migration, that the thread releases when it exits, such that MigrationState is only finalized once every thread has exited ? That would not require any join() synchronization point. With regards, Daniel
On Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 09:48:07AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 05:16:00PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote: > > v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20241024165627.1372621-1-peterx@redhat.com > > > Meanwhile, migration has a long standing issue on current_migration > > pointer, where it can point to freed data after the migration object is > > finalized. It is debatable that the pointer can be cleared after the main > > thread (1) join() the migration thread first, then (2) release the last > > refcount for the migration object and clear the pointer. However there's > > still major challenges [1]. With singleton, we could have a slightly but > > hopefully working workaround to clear the pointer during finalize(). > > I'm still not entirely convinced that this singleton proposal is > fixing the migration problem correctly. > > Based on discussions in v1, IIUC, the situation is that we have > migration_shutdown() being called from qemu_cleanup(). The former > will call object_unref(current_migration), but there may still > be background migration threads running that access 'current_migration', > and thus a potential use-after-free. migration thread is fine, it takes a refcount at the entry. And btw, taking it at the entry is racy, we've just fixed it, see (in my next migration pull): https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20241024213056.1395400-2-peterx@redhat.com/ The access reported was, IIUC, outside migration code, but after both main/migration threads released the refcount, hence after finalize(). It could be a random migration_is_running() call very late in device code, for example. > > Based on what the 7th patch here does, the key difference is that > the finalize() method for MigrationState will set 'current_migration' > to NULL after free'ing it. Yes. But this show case series isn't complete. We need a migration-side lock finally to make it safe to access. For that, see: https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20241024213056.1395400-9-peterx@redhat.com/ > > I don't believe that is safe. I hope after the other series applied it will be 100% safe, even though I agree it's tricky. But hopefully QOM is very clean, the trickly part is still within migration, and it should be less tricky than migration implement a refcount on top of Object.. > > Back to the current code, if there is a use-after-free today, that > implies that the background threads are *not* holding their own > reference on 'current_migration', allowing the object to be free'd > while they're still using it. If they held their own reference then > the object_unref in migration_shutdown would not have any use after > free risk. > > The new code is not changing the ref counting done by any threads. > Therefore if there's a use-after-free in existing code, AFAICT, the > same use-after-free *must* still exist in the current code. > > The 7th patch only fixes the use-after-free, *if and only if* the > background thread tries to access 'current_migration', /after/ > finalize as completed. The use-after-free in this case, has been > turned into a NULL pointer reference. > > A background thread could be accessing the 'current_migration' pointer > *concurrently* with the finalize method executing though. In this case > we still have a use after free problem, only the time window in which > it exists has been narrowed a little. > > Shouldn't the problem with migration be solved by every migration thread > holding a reference on current_migration, that the thread releases when > it exits, such that MigrationState is only finalized once every thread > has exited ? That would not require any join() synchronization point. I think the question is whether things like migration_is_running() is allowed to be used anywhere, even after migration_shutdown(). My answer is, it should be ok to be used anywhere, and we don't necessarilly need to limit that. In that case the caller doesn't need to take a refcount because it's an immediate query. It can simply check its existance with the lock (after my patch 8 of the other series applied, which depends on this qom series). Thanks,