| Message ID | 20210529033353.21641-1-o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp (mailing list archive) |
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| Series | ALSA: pcm: comment about relation between msbits hw parameter and [S|U32] formats | expand |
On Sat, 29 May 2021 05:33:53 +0200, Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > Regarding to handling [U|S][32|24] PCM formats, many userspace > application developers and driver developers have confusion, since they > require them to understand justification or padding. It easily > loses consistency and soundness to operate with many type of devices. In > this commit, I attempt to solve the situation by adding comment about > relation between [S|U]32 formats and 'msbits' hardware parameter. > > The formats are used for 'left-justified' sample format, and the available > bit count in most significant bit is delivered to userspace in msbits > hardware parameter (struct snd_pcm_hw_params.msbits), which is decided by > msbits constraint added by pcm drivers (snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits()). > > In driver side, the msbits constraint includes two elements; the physical > width of format and the available width of the format in most significant > bit. The former is used to match SAMPLE_BITS of format. (For my > convenience, I ignore wildcard in the usage of the constraint.) > > As a result of interaction between ALSA pcm core and ALSA pcm application, > when the format in which SAMPLE_BITS equals to physical width of the > msbits constaint, the msbits parameter is set by referring to the > available width of the constraint. When the msbits parameter is not > changed in the above process, ALSA pcm core set it alternatively with > SAMPLE_BIT of chosen format. > > In userspace application side, the msbits is only available after calling > ioctl(2) with SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS request. Even if the hardware > parameter structure includes somewhat value of SAMPLE_BITS interval > parameter as width of format, all of the width is not always available > since msbits can be less than the width. > > I note that [S|U24] formats are used for 'right-justified' 24 bit sample > formats within 32 bit frame. The first byte in most significant bit > should be invalidated. Although the msbits exposed to userspace should be > zero as invalid value, actually it is 32 from physical width of format. > > Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp> Thanks, applied. Takashi
Hi, On Sun, May 30, 2021, at 16:32, Takashi Iwai wrote: > On Sat, 29 May 2021 05:33:53 +0200, > Takashi Sakamoto wrote: >> >> Regarding to handling [U|S][32|24] PCM formats, many userspace >> application developers and driver developers have confusion, since they >> require them to understand justification or padding. It easily >> loses consistency and soundness to operate with many type of devices. In >> this commit, I attempt to solve the situation by adding comment about >> relation between [S|U]32 formats and 'msbits' hardware parameter. >> >> The formats are used for 'left-justified' sample format, and the available >> bit count in most significant bit is delivered to userspace in msbits >> hardware parameter (struct snd_pcm_hw_params.msbits), which is decided by >> msbits constraint added by pcm drivers (snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits()). >> >> In driver side, the msbits constraint includes two elements; the physical >> width of format and the available width of the format in most significant >> bit. The former is used to match SAMPLE_BITS of format. (For my >> convenience, I ignore wildcard in the usage of the constraint.) >> >> As a result of interaction between ALSA pcm core and ALSA pcm application, >> when the format in which SAMPLE_BITS equals to physical width of the >> msbits constaint, the msbits parameter is set by referring to the >> available width of the constraint. When the msbits parameter is not >> changed in the above process, ALSA pcm core set it alternatively with >> SAMPLE_BIT of chosen format. >> >> In userspace application side, the msbits is only available after calling >> ioctl(2) with SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS request. Even if the hardware >> parameter structure includes somewhat value of SAMPLE_BITS interval >> parameter as width of format, all of the width is not always available >> since msbits can be less than the width. >> >> I note that [S|U24] formats are used for 'right-justified' 24 bit sample >> formats within 32 bit frame. The first byte in most significant bit >> should be invalidated. Although the msbits exposed to userspace should be >> zero as invalid value, actually it is 32 from physical width of format. >> >> Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp> > > Thanks, applied. > > > Takashi I can not find the patch in your tree. Would I ask you to review again? If it should be going to be applied, I'd like you to fix my typo in the subject line; * "[S|U32]" -> "[S|U]32" Regards Takashi Sakamoto
On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:30:30 +0100, Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sun, May 30, 2021, at 16:32, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > On Sat, 29 May 2021 05:33:53 +0200, > > Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > >> > >> Regarding to handling [U|S][32|24] PCM formats, many userspace > >> application developers and driver developers have confusion, since they > >> require them to understand justification or padding. It easily > >> loses consistency and soundness to operate with many type of devices. In > >> this commit, I attempt to solve the situation by adding comment about > >> relation between [S|U]32 formats and 'msbits' hardware parameter. > >> > >> The formats are used for 'left-justified' sample format, and the available > >> bit count in most significant bit is delivered to userspace in msbits > >> hardware parameter (struct snd_pcm_hw_params.msbits), which is decided by > >> msbits constraint added by pcm drivers (snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits()). > >> > >> In driver side, the msbits constraint includes two elements; the physical > >> width of format and the available width of the format in most significant > >> bit. The former is used to match SAMPLE_BITS of format. (For my > >> convenience, I ignore wildcard in the usage of the constraint.) > >> > >> As a result of interaction between ALSA pcm core and ALSA pcm application, > >> when the format in which SAMPLE_BITS equals to physical width of the > >> msbits constaint, the msbits parameter is set by referring to the > >> available width of the constraint. When the msbits parameter is not > >> changed in the above process, ALSA pcm core set it alternatively with > >> SAMPLE_BIT of chosen format. > >> > >> In userspace application side, the msbits is only available after calling > >> ioctl(2) with SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS request. Even if the hardware > >> parameter structure includes somewhat value of SAMPLE_BITS interval > >> parameter as width of format, all of the width is not always available > >> since msbits can be less than the width. > >> > >> I note that [S|U24] formats are used for 'right-justified' 24 bit sample > >> formats within 32 bit frame. The first byte in most significant bit > >> should be invalidated. Although the msbits exposed to userspace should be > >> zero as invalid value, actually it is 32 from physical width of format. > >> > >> Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp> > > > > Thanks, applied. > > > > > > Takashi > > I can not find the patch in your tree. Would I ask you to review again? Hrm, it seems that the commit was lost by some reason. Sorry! > If it should be going to be applied, I'd like you to fix my typo in the subject line; > > * "[S|U32]" -> "[S|U]32" There was another similar typo in the patch description and I corrected both. Now applied to for-next, commit fb6723daf89083a0d2290f3a0abc777e40766c84. thanks, Takashi
Hi, On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 08:20:38AM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote: > On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:30:30 +0100, > Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, May 30, 2021, at 16:32, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > > On Sat, 29 May 2021 05:33:53 +0200, > > > Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > >> > > >> Regarding to handling [U|S][32|24] PCM formats, many userspace > > >> application developers and driver developers have confusion, since they > > >> require them to understand justification or padding. It easily > > >> loses consistency and soundness to operate with many type of devices. In > > >> this commit, I attempt to solve the situation by adding comment about > > >> relation between [S|U]32 formats and 'msbits' hardware parameter. > > >> > > >> The formats are used for 'left-justified' sample format, and the available > > >> bit count in most significant bit is delivered to userspace in msbits > > >> hardware parameter (struct snd_pcm_hw_params.msbits), which is decided by > > >> msbits constraint added by pcm drivers (snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits()). > > >> > > >> In driver side, the msbits constraint includes two elements; the physical > > >> width of format and the available width of the format in most significant > > >> bit. The former is used to match SAMPLE_BITS of format. (For my > > >> convenience, I ignore wildcard in the usage of the constraint.) > > >> > > >> As a result of interaction between ALSA pcm core and ALSA pcm application, > > >> when the format in which SAMPLE_BITS equals to physical width of the > > >> msbits constaint, the msbits parameter is set by referring to the > > >> available width of the constraint. When the msbits parameter is not > > >> changed in the above process, ALSA pcm core set it alternatively with > > >> SAMPLE_BIT of chosen format. > > >> > > >> In userspace application side, the msbits is only available after calling > > >> ioctl(2) with SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS request. Even if the hardware > > >> parameter structure includes somewhat value of SAMPLE_BITS interval > > >> parameter as width of format, all of the width is not always available > > >> since msbits can be less than the width. > > >> > > >> I note that [S|U24] formats are used for 'right-justified' 24 bit sample > > >> formats within 32 bit frame. The first byte in most significant bit > > >> should be invalidated. Although the msbits exposed to userspace should be > > >> zero as invalid value, actually it is 32 from physical width of format. > > >> > > >> Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp> > > > > > > Thanks, applied. > > > > > > > > > Takashi > > > > I can not find the patch in your tree. Would I ask you to review again? > > Hrm, it seems that the commit was lost by some reason. Sorry! > > > If it should be going to be applied, I'd like you to fix my typo in the subject line; > > > > * "[S|U32]" -> "[S|U]32" > > There was another similar typo in the patch description and I > corrected both. Now applied to for-next, commit > fb6723daf89083a0d2290f3a0abc777e40766c84. Thank you, and I overlooked that the patch still includes C99 style comment in the part for UAPI header... I'm preparing to fix it. Regards Takashi Sakamoto
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:02:46 +0100, Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 08:20:38AM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:30:30 +0100, > > Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Sun, May 30, 2021, at 16:32, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > > > On Sat, 29 May 2021 05:33:53 +0200, > > > > Takashi Sakamoto wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Regarding to handling [U|S][32|24] PCM formats, many userspace > > > >> application developers and driver developers have confusion, since they > > > >> require them to understand justification or padding. It easily > > > >> loses consistency and soundness to operate with many type of devices. In > > > >> this commit, I attempt to solve the situation by adding comment about > > > >> relation between [S|U]32 formats and 'msbits' hardware parameter. > > > >> > > > >> The formats are used for 'left-justified' sample format, and the available > > > >> bit count in most significant bit is delivered to userspace in msbits > > > >> hardware parameter (struct snd_pcm_hw_params.msbits), which is decided by > > > >> msbits constraint added by pcm drivers (snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits()). > > > >> > > > >> In driver side, the msbits constraint includes two elements; the physical > > > >> width of format and the available width of the format in most significant > > > >> bit. The former is used to match SAMPLE_BITS of format. (For my > > > >> convenience, I ignore wildcard in the usage of the constraint.) > > > >> > > > >> As a result of interaction between ALSA pcm core and ALSA pcm application, > > > >> when the format in which SAMPLE_BITS equals to physical width of the > > > >> msbits constaint, the msbits parameter is set by referring to the > > > >> available width of the constraint. When the msbits parameter is not > > > >> changed in the above process, ALSA pcm core set it alternatively with > > > >> SAMPLE_BIT of chosen format. > > > >> > > > >> In userspace application side, the msbits is only available after calling > > > >> ioctl(2) with SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS request. Even if the hardware > > > >> parameter structure includes somewhat value of SAMPLE_BITS interval > > > >> parameter as width of format, all of the width is not always available > > > >> since msbits can be less than the width. > > > >> > > > >> I note that [S|U24] formats are used for 'right-justified' 24 bit sample > > > >> formats within 32 bit frame. The first byte in most significant bit > > > >> should be invalidated. Although the msbits exposed to userspace should be > > > >> zero as invalid value, actually it is 32 from physical width of format. > > > >> > > > >> Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp> > > > > > > > > Thanks, applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > Takashi > > > > > > I can not find the patch in your tree. Would I ask you to review again? > > > > Hrm, it seems that the commit was lost by some reason. Sorry! > > > > > If it should be going to be applied, I'd like you to fix my typo in the subject line; > > > > > > * "[S|U32]" -> "[S|U]32" > > > > There was another similar typo in the patch description and I > > corrected both. Now applied to for-next, commit > > fb6723daf89083a0d2290f3a0abc777e40766c84. > > Thank you, and I overlooked that the patch still includes C99 style > comment in the part for UAPI header... I'm preparing to fix it. Ahh, yeah, that was the reason I dropped your patch later. Takashi
diff --git a/include/sound/pcm.h b/include/sound/pcm.h index 2e1200d17d0c..b84ff6e4ee53 100644 --- a/include/sound/pcm.h +++ b/include/sound/pcm.h @@ -147,6 +147,9 @@ struct snd_pcm_ops { #define SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_S24_BE _SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT(S24_BE) #define SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_U24_LE _SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT(U24_LE) #define SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_U24_BE _SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT(U24_BE) +// For S32/U32 formats, 'msbits' hardware parameter is often used to deliver information about the +// available bit count in most significant bit. It's for the case of so-called 'left-justified' or +// `right-padding` sample which has less width than 32 bit. #define SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_S32_LE _SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT(S32_LE) #define SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_S32_BE _SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT(S32_BE) #define SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT_U32_LE _SNDRV_PCM_FMTBIT(U32_LE) diff --git a/include/uapi/sound/asound.h b/include/uapi/sound/asound.h index d17c061950df..b43ea0067e1f 100644 --- a/include/uapi/sound/asound.h +++ b/include/uapi/sound/asound.h @@ -202,6 +202,9 @@ typedef int __bitwise snd_pcm_format_t; #define SNDRV_PCM_FORMAT_S24_BE ((__force snd_pcm_format_t) 7) /* low three bytes */ #define SNDRV_PCM_FORMAT_U24_LE ((__force snd_pcm_format_t) 8) /* low three bytes */ #define SNDRV_PCM_FORMAT_U24_BE ((__force snd_pcm_format_t) 9) /* low three bytes */ +// For S32/U32 formats, 'msbits' hardware parameter is often used to deliver information about the +// available bit count in most significant bit. It's for the case of so-called 'left-justified' or +// `right-padding` sample which has less width than 32 bit. #define SNDRV_PCM_FORMAT_S32_LE ((__force snd_pcm_format_t) 10) #define SNDRV_PCM_FORMAT_S32_BE ((__force snd_pcm_format_t) 11) #define SNDRV_PCM_FORMAT_U32_LE ((__force snd_pcm_format_t) 12)
Regarding to handling [U|S][32|24] PCM formats, many userspace application developers and driver developers have confusion, since they require them to understand justification or padding. It easily loses consistency and soundness to operate with many type of devices. In this commit, I attempt to solve the situation by adding comment about relation between [S|U]32 formats and 'msbits' hardware parameter. The formats are used for 'left-justified' sample format, and the available bit count in most significant bit is delivered to userspace in msbits hardware parameter (struct snd_pcm_hw_params.msbits), which is decided by msbits constraint added by pcm drivers (snd_pcm_hw_constraint_msbits()). In driver side, the msbits constraint includes two elements; the physical width of format and the available width of the format in most significant bit. The former is used to match SAMPLE_BITS of format. (For my convenience, I ignore wildcard in the usage of the constraint.) As a result of interaction between ALSA pcm core and ALSA pcm application, when the format in which SAMPLE_BITS equals to physical width of the msbits constaint, the msbits parameter is set by referring to the available width of the constraint. When the msbits parameter is not changed in the above process, ALSA pcm core set it alternatively with SAMPLE_BIT of chosen format. In userspace application side, the msbits is only available after calling ioctl(2) with SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_HW_PARAMS request. Even if the hardware parameter structure includes somewhat value of SAMPLE_BITS interval parameter as width of format, all of the width is not always available since msbits can be less than the width. I note that [S|U24] formats are used for 'right-justified' 24 bit sample formats within 32 bit frame. The first byte in most significant bit should be invalidated. Although the msbits exposed to userspace should be zero as invalid value, actually it is 32 from physical width of format. Signed-off-by: Takashi Sakamoto <o-takashi@sakamocchi.jp> --- include/sound/pcm.h | 3 +++ include/uapi/sound/asound.h | 3 +++ 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+)