| Message ID | 20250215073753.1217002-2-kherbst@redhat.com (mailing list archive) |
|---|---|
| State | New |
| Headers | show |
| Series | Me stepping down as a nouveau kernel maintainer | expand |
On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 08:37:53AM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote: > I was pondering with myself for a while if I should just make it official > that I'm not really involved in the kernel community anymore, neither as a > reviewer, nor as a maintainer. > > Most of the time I simply excused myself with "if something urgent comes > up, I can chime in and help out". Lyude and Danilo are doing a wonderful > job and I've put all my trust into them. > > However, there is one thing I can't stand and it's hurting me the most. > I'm convinced, no, my core believe is, that inclusivity and respect, > working with others as equals, no power plays involved, is how we should > work together within the Free and Open Source community. > > I can understand maintainers needing to learn, being concerned on > technical points. Everybody deserves the time to understand and learn. It > is my true belief that most people are capable of change eventually. I > truly believe this community can change from within, however this doesn't > mean it's going to be a smooth process. > > The moment I made up my mind about this was reading the following words > written by a maintainer within the kernel community: > > "we are the thin blue line" > > This isn't okay. This isn't creating an inclusive environment. This isn't > okay with the current political situation especially in the US. A > maintainer speaking those words can't be kept. No matter how important > or critical or relevant they are. They need to be removed until they > learn. Learn what those words mean for a lot of marginalized people. Learn > about what horrors it evokes in their minds. > > I can't in good faith remain to be part of a project and its community > where those words are tolerated. Those words are not technical, they are > a political statement. Even if unintentionally, such words carry power, > they carry meanings one needs to be aware of. They do cause an immense > amount of harm. > > I wish the best of luck for everybody to continue to try to work from > within. You got my full support and I won't hold it against anybody trying > to improve the community, it's a thankless job, it's a lot of work. People > will continue to burn out. > > I got burned out enough by myself caring about the bits I maintained, but > eventually I had to realize my limits. The obligation I felt was eating me > from inside. It stopped being fun at some point and I reached a point > where I simply couldn't continue the work I was so motivated doing as I've > did in the early days. > > Please respect my wishes and put this statement as is into the tree. > Leaving anything out destroys its entire meaning. > > Respectfully > > Karol > > Signed-off-by: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> @Steven, @Masami: Can I get an ACK for taking this through the drm-misc tree? (Not cutting any context, since you have not been copied on this one.) - Danilo > --- > MAINTAINERS | 2 -- > 1 file changed, 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS > index 25c86f47353de..ca31e57fa203c 100644 > --- a/MAINTAINERS > +++ b/MAINTAINERS > @@ -7431,7 +7431,6 @@ F: Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/novatek,nt36672a.yaml > F: drivers/gpu/drm/panel/panel-novatek-nt36672a.c > > DRM DRIVER FOR NVIDIA GEFORCE/QUADRO GPUS > -M: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> > M: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> > M: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> > L: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > @@ -24062,7 +24061,6 @@ F: tools/testing/selftests/ftrace/ > TRACING MMIO ACCESSES (MMIOTRACE) > M: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> > M: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org> > -R: Karol Herbst <karolherbst@gmail.com> > R: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> > L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > L: nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > -- > 2.48.1 >
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:27:25 +0100 Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> wrote: > > Signed-off-by: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> > > @Steven, @Masami: Can I get an ACK for taking this through the drm-misc tree? > > (Not cutting any context, since you have not been copied on this one.) Sure, Acked-by: Steven Rostedt (Google) <rostedt@goodmis.org> -- Steve > > - Danilo > > > --- > > MAINTAINERS | 2 -- > > 1 file changed, 2 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS > > index 25c86f47353de..ca31e57fa203c 100644 > > --- a/MAINTAINERS > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS > > @@ -7431,7 +7431,6 @@ F: Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/novatek,nt36672a.yaml > > F: drivers/gpu/drm/panel/panel-novatek-nt36672a.c > > > > DRM DRIVER FOR NVIDIA GEFORCE/QUADRO GPUS > > -M: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> > > M: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> > > M: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> > > L: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > > @@ -24062,7 +24061,6 @@ F: tools/testing/selftests/ftrace/ > > TRACING MMIO ACCESSES (MMIOTRACE) > > M: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> > > M: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org> > > -R: Karol Herbst <karolherbst@gmail.com> > > R: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> > > L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > L: nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:27:25 +0100 Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 08:37:53AM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote: > > I was pondering with myself for a while if I should just make it official > > that I'm not really involved in the kernel community anymore, neither as a > > reviewer, nor as a maintainer. > > > > Most of the time I simply excused myself with "if something urgent comes > > up, I can chime in and help out". Lyude and Danilo are doing a wonderful > > job and I've put all my trust into them. > > > > However, there is one thing I can't stand and it's hurting me the most. > > I'm convinced, no, my core believe is, that inclusivity and respect, > > working with others as equals, no power plays involved, is how we should > > work together within the Free and Open Source community. > > > > I can understand maintainers needing to learn, being concerned on > > technical points. Everybody deserves the time to understand and learn. It > > is my true belief that most people are capable of change eventually. I > > truly believe this community can change from within, however this doesn't > > mean it's going to be a smooth process. > > > > The moment I made up my mind about this was reading the following words > > written by a maintainer within the kernel community: > > > > "we are the thin blue line" > > > > This isn't okay. This isn't creating an inclusive environment. This isn't > > okay with the current political situation especially in the US. A > > maintainer speaking those words can't be kept. No matter how important > > or critical or relevant they are. They need to be removed until they > > learn. Learn what those words mean for a lot of marginalized people. Learn > > about what horrors it evokes in their minds. > > > > I can't in good faith remain to be part of a project and its community > > where those words are tolerated. Those words are not technical, they are > > a political statement. Even if unintentionally, such words carry power, > > they carry meanings one needs to be aware of. They do cause an immense > > amount of harm. > > > > I wish the best of luck for everybody to continue to try to work from > > within. You got my full support and I won't hold it against anybody trying > > to improve the community, it's a thankless job, it's a lot of work. People > > will continue to burn out. > > > > I got burned out enough by myself caring about the bits I maintained, but > > eventually I had to realize my limits. The obligation I felt was eating me > > from inside. It stopped being fun at some point and I reached a point > > where I simply couldn't continue the work I was so motivated doing as I've > > did in the early days. > > > > Please respect my wishes and put this statement as is into the tree. > > Leaving anything out destroys its entire meaning. > > > > Respectfully > > > > Karol > > > > Signed-off-by: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> > > @Steven, @Masami: Can I get an ACK for taking this through the drm-misc tree? > > (Not cutting any context, since you have not been copied on this one.) OK, Acked-by: Masami Hiramatsu (Google) <mhiramat@kernel.org> Thank you, > > - Danilo > > > --- > > MAINTAINERS | 2 -- > > 1 file changed, 2 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS > > index 25c86f47353de..ca31e57fa203c 100644 > > --- a/MAINTAINERS > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS > > @@ -7431,7 +7431,6 @@ F: Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/novatek,nt36672a.yaml > > F: drivers/gpu/drm/panel/panel-novatek-nt36672a.c > > > > DRM DRIVER FOR NVIDIA GEFORCE/QUADRO GPUS > > -M: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> > > M: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> > > M: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> > > L: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > > @@ -24062,7 +24061,6 @@ F: tools/testing/selftests/ftrace/ > > TRACING MMIO ACCESSES (MMIOTRACE) > > M: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> > > M: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org> > > -R: Karol Herbst <karolherbst@gmail.com> > > R: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> > > L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > L: nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > > -- > > 2.48.1 > >
Hi Karol,
On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 08:37:53AM +0100, Karol Herbst wrote:
> Please respect my wishes and put this statement as is into the tree.
I applied this patch, as is, to drm-misc-fixes.
I respect the reasons you have and that you do so out of firm belief, yet I'm
sad to see you leaving this community.
Thank you for all the work you put into the nouveau driver!
- Danilo
diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS index 25c86f47353de..ca31e57fa203c 100644 --- a/MAINTAINERS +++ b/MAINTAINERS @@ -7431,7 +7431,6 @@ F: Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/novatek,nt36672a.yaml F: drivers/gpu/drm/panel/panel-novatek-nt36672a.c DRM DRIVER FOR NVIDIA GEFORCE/QUADRO GPUS -M: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> M: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> M: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> L: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org @@ -24062,7 +24061,6 @@ F: tools/testing/selftests/ftrace/ TRACING MMIO ACCESSES (MMIOTRACE) M: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> M: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org> -R: Karol Herbst <karolherbst@gmail.com> R: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> L: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org L: nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org
I was pondering with myself for a while if I should just make it official that I'm not really involved in the kernel community anymore, neither as a reviewer, nor as a maintainer. Most of the time I simply excused myself with "if something urgent comes up, I can chime in and help out". Lyude and Danilo are doing a wonderful job and I've put all my trust into them. However, there is one thing I can't stand and it's hurting me the most. I'm convinced, no, my core believe is, that inclusivity and respect, working with others as equals, no power plays involved, is how we should work together within the Free and Open Source community. I can understand maintainers needing to learn, being concerned on technical points. Everybody deserves the time to understand and learn. It is my true belief that most people are capable of change eventually. I truly believe this community can change from within, however this doesn't mean it's going to be a smooth process. The moment I made up my mind about this was reading the following words written by a maintainer within the kernel community: "we are the thin blue line" This isn't okay. This isn't creating an inclusive environment. This isn't okay with the current political situation especially in the US. A maintainer speaking those words can't be kept. No matter how important or critical or relevant they are. They need to be removed until they learn. Learn what those words mean for a lot of marginalized people. Learn about what horrors it evokes in their minds. I can't in good faith remain to be part of a project and its community where those words are tolerated. Those words are not technical, they are a political statement. Even if unintentionally, such words carry power, they carry meanings one needs to be aware of. They do cause an immense amount of harm. I wish the best of luck for everybody to continue to try to work from within. You got my full support and I won't hold it against anybody trying to improve the community, it's a thankless job, it's a lot of work. People will continue to burn out. I got burned out enough by myself caring about the bits I maintained, but eventually I had to realize my limits. The obligation I felt was eating me from inside. It stopped being fun at some point and I reached a point where I simply couldn't continue the work I was so motivated doing as I've did in the early days. Please respect my wishes and put this statement as is into the tree. Leaving anything out destroys its entire meaning. Respectfully Karol Signed-off-by: Karol Herbst <kherbst@redhat.com> --- MAINTAINERS | 2 -- 1 file changed, 2 deletions(-)