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Regarding these pieces > The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks > the map sealed since creation. OpenBSD won't be doing this. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE as a draft. In my research I found basically zero circumstances when you userland does that. The most common circumstance is you create a RW mapping, fill it, and then change to a more restrictve mapping, and lock it. There are a few regions in the addressspace that can be locked while RW. For instance, the stack. But the kernel does that, not userland. I found regions where the kernel wants to do this to the address space, but there is no need to export useless functionality to userland. OpenBSD now uses this for a high percent of the address space. It might be worth re-reading a description of the split of responsibility regarding who locks different types of memory in a process; - kernel (the majority, based upon what ELF layout tell us), - shared library linker (the next majority, dealing with shared library mappings and left-overs not determinable at kernel time), - libc (a small minority, mostly regarding forced mutable objects) - and the applications themselves (only 1 application today) https://lwn.net/Articles/915662/ > The MAP_SEALABLE bit in the flags field of mmap(). When present, it marks > the map as sealable. A map created without MAP_SEALABLE will not support > sealing, i.e. mseal() will fail. We definately won't be doing this. We allow a process to lock any and all it's memory that isn't locked already, even if it means it is shooting itself in the foot. I think you are going to severely hurt the power of this mechanism, because you won't be able to lock memory that has been allocated by a different callsite not under your source-code control which lacks the MAP_SEALABLE flag. (Which is extremely common with the system-parts of a process, meaning not just libc but kernel allocated objects). It may be fine inside a program like chrome, but I expect that flag to make it harder to use in libc, and it will hinder adoption.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:49 AM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > Regarding these pieces > > > The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > the map sealed since creation. > > OpenBSD won't be doing this. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE as a draft. In my > research I found basically zero circumstances when you userland does > that. The most common circumstance is you create a RW mapping, fill it, > and then change to a more restrictve mapping, and lock it. > > There are a few regions in the addressspace that can be locked while RW. > For instance, the stack. But the kernel does that, not userland. I > found regions where the kernel wants to do this to the address space, > but there is no need to export useless functionality to userland. > I have a feeling that most apps that need to use mmap() in their code are likely using RW mappings. Adding sealing to mmap() could stop those mappings from being executable. Of course, those apps would need to change their code. We can't do it for them. Also, I believe adding this to mmap() has no downsides, only performance gain, as Pedro Falcato pointed out in [1]. [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKbZUD2A+=bp_sd+Q0Yif7NJqMu8p__eb4yguq0agEcmLH8SDQ@mail.gmail.com/ > OpenBSD now uses this for a high percent of the address space. It might > be worth re-reading a description of the split of responsibility regarding > who locks different types of memory in a process; > - kernel (the majority, based upon what ELF layout tell us), > - shared library linker (the next majority, dealing with shared > library mappings and left-overs not determinable at kernel time), > - libc (a small minority, mostly regarding forced mutable objects) > - and the applications themselves (only 1 application today) > > https://lwn.net/Articles/915662/ > > > The MAP_SEALABLE bit in the flags field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > the map as sealable. A map created without MAP_SEALABLE will not support > > sealing, i.e. mseal() will fail. > > We definately won't be doing this. We allow a process to lock any and all > it's memory that isn't locked already, even if it means it is shooting > itself in the foot. > > I think you are going to severely hurt the power of this mechanism, > because you won't be able to lock memory that has been allocated by a > different callsite not under your source-code control which lacks the > MAP_SEALABLE flag. (Which is extremely common with the system-parts of > a process, meaning not just libc but kernel allocated objects). > MAP_SEALABLE was an open discussion item called out on V3 [2] and V4 [3]. I acknowledge that additional coordination would be required if mapping were to be allocated by one software component and sealed in another. However, this is feasible. Considering the side effect of not having this flag (as discussed in V3/V4) and the significant implications of altering the lifetime of the mapping (since unmapping would not be possible), I believe it is reasonable to expect developers to exercise additional care and caution when utilizing memory sealing. [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20231212231706.2680890-2-jeffxu@chromium.org/ [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240104185138.169307-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ > It may be fine inside a program like chrome, but I expect that flag to make > it harder to use in libc, and it will hinder adoption. > In the case of glibc and linux, as stated in the cover letter, Stephen is working on a change to glibc to add sealing support to the dynamic linker, also I plan to make necessary code changes in the linux kernel.
Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:49 AM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > > > Regarding these pieces > > > > > The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > the map sealed since creation. > > > > OpenBSD won't be doing this. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE as a draft. In my > > research I found basically zero circumstances when you userland does > > that. The most common circumstance is you create a RW mapping, fill it, > > and then change to a more restrictve mapping, and lock it. > > > > There are a few regions in the addressspace that can be locked while RW. > > For instance, the stack. But the kernel does that, not userland. I > > found regions where the kernel wants to do this to the address space, > > but there is no need to export useless functionality to userland. > > > I have a feeling that most apps that need to use mmap() in their code > are likely using RW mappings. Adding sealing to mmap() could stop > those mappings from being executable. Of course, those apps would > need to change their code. We can't do it for them. I don't have a feeling about it. I spent a year engineering a complete system which exercises the maximum amount of memory you can lock. I saw nothing like what you are describing. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE in my drafts, and saw it turning into a dangerous anti-pattern. > Also, I believe adding this to mmap() has no downsides, only > performance gain, as Pedro Falcato pointed out in [1]. > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKbZUD2A+=bp_sd+Q0Yif7NJqMu8p__eb4yguq0agEcmLH8SDQ@mail.gmail.com/ Are you joking? You don't have any code doing that today. More feelings? OpenBSD userland has zero places it can use mmap() MAP_IMMUTABLE. It has two places where it has mprotect() + mimmutable() adjacent to each other, two codepaths for late mprotect() of RELRO, and then make the RELRO immutable. I think this idea is a premature optimization, and intentionally incompatible. Like I say, I had a similar MAP_ flag for mprotect() and mmap() in my development trees, and I recognized it was pointless, distracting developers into the wrong patterns, and I threw it out. > > OpenBSD now uses this for a high percent of the address space. It might > > be worth re-reading a description of the split of responsibility regarding > > who locks different types of memory in a process; > > - kernel (the majority, based upon what ELF layout tell us), > > - shared library linker (the next majority, dealing with shared > > library mappings and left-overs not determinable at kernel time), > > - libc (a small minority, mostly regarding forced mutable objects) > > - and the applications themselves (only 1 application today) > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/915662/ > > > > > The MAP_SEALABLE bit in the flags field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > the map as sealable. A map created without MAP_SEALABLE will not support > > > sealing, i.e. mseal() will fail. > > > > We definately won't be doing this. We allow a process to lock any and all > > it's memory that isn't locked already, even if it means it is shooting > > itself in the foot. > > > > I think you are going to severely hurt the power of this mechanism, > > because you won't be able to lock memory that has been allocated by a > > different callsite not under your source-code control which lacks the > > MAP_SEALABLE flag. (Which is extremely common with the system-parts of > > a process, meaning not just libc but kernel allocated objects). > > > MAP_SEALABLE was an open discussion item called out on V3 [2] and V4 [3]. > > I acknowledge that additional coordination would be required if > mapping were to be allocated by one software component and sealed in > another. However, this is feasible. > > Considering the side effect of not having this flag (as discussed in > V3/V4) and the significant implications of altering the lifetime of > the mapping (since unmapping would not be possible), I believe it is > reasonable to expect developers to exercise additional care and > caution when utilizing memory sealing. > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20231212231706.2680890-2-jeffxu@chromium.org/ > [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240104185138.169307-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ I disagree *strongly*. Developers need to exercise additional care on memory, period. Memory sealing issues is the least of their worries. (Except for handling RELRO, but only the ld.so developers will lose their hair). OK, so mseal and mimmutable are very different. mimmutable can be used by any developer on the address space easily. mseal requires control of the whole stack between allocation and consumption. I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand how dangerous this MAP_SEALABLE proposal is because of the difficulties it will create for use. The immutable memory management we have today in OpenBSD would completely impossible with such a flag. Seperation between allocator (that doesn't know what is going to happen), and consumer (that does know), is completely common in the systems environment (meaning the interaction between DSO, libc, other libraries, and the underside of applications). This is not not like an application where you can simply sprinkle the flag into the mmap() calls that cause you problems. That mmap() call is now in someone else's code, and you CANNOT gain security advantage unless you convince them to gain an understanding of what that flag means -- and it is a flag that other Linux variants don't have, not even in their #include files. > > It may be fine inside a program like chrome, but I expect that flag to make > > it harder to use in libc, and it will hinder adoption. > > > In the case of glibc and linux, as stated in the cover letter, Stephen > is working on a change to glibc to add sealing support to the dynamic > linker, also I plan to make necessary code changes in the linux kernel. How will ld.so seal memory which the kernel mapped? The kernel will now automatically puts MAP_SEALABLE on the text segment and stack? Why not put it on all mmap() allocations? Why not just skip the flag entirely? To me, this is all very bizzare. I don't understand what the MAP_SEALABLE flag is trying to solve.
* Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> [240122 17:35]: > Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:49 AM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > Regarding these pieces > > > > > > > The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > > the map sealed since creation. > > > > > > OpenBSD won't be doing this. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE as a draft. In my > > > research I found basically zero circumstances when you userland does > > > that. The most common circumstance is you create a RW mapping, fill it, > > > and then change to a more restrictve mapping, and lock it. > > > > > > There are a few regions in the addressspace that can be locked while RW. > > > For instance, the stack. But the kernel does that, not userland. I > > > found regions where the kernel wants to do this to the address space, > > > but there is no need to export useless functionality to userland. > > > > > I have a feeling that most apps that need to use mmap() in their code > > are likely using RW mappings. Adding sealing to mmap() could stop > > those mappings from being executable. Of course, those apps would > > need to change their code. We can't do it for them. > > I don't have a feeling about it. > > I spent a year engineering a complete system which exercises the maximum > amount of memory you can lock. > > I saw nothing like what you are describing. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE in my > drafts, and saw it turning into a dangerous anti-pattern. > > > Also, I believe adding this to mmap() has no downsides, only > > performance gain, as Pedro Falcato pointed out in [1]. > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKbZUD2A+=bp_sd+Q0Yif7NJqMu8p__eb4yguq0agEcmLH8SDQ@mail.gmail.com/ > > Are you joking? You don't have any code doing that today. More feelings? The 'no downside" is to combining two calls together; mmap() & mseal(), at least that is how I read the linked discussion. The common case (since there are no users today) of just calling mmap()/munmap() will have the downside. There will be a performance impact once you have can_modify_mm() doing more than just returning true. Certainly, the impact will be larger in munmap where multiple VMAs may need to be checked (assuming that's the plan?). This will require a new and earlier walk of the vma tree while holding the mmap_lock. Since you are checking (potentially multiple) VMAs for something, I don't think there is a way around holding the lock. I'm not saying the cost will be large, but it will be a positive non-zero number. Thanks, Liam
Liam R. Howlett <Liam.Howlett@Oracle.com> wrote: > * Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> [240122 17:35]: > > Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:49 AM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > Regarding these pieces > > > > > > > > > The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > > > the map sealed since creation. > > > > > > > > OpenBSD won't be doing this. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE as a draft. In my > > > > research I found basically zero circumstances when you userland does > > > > that. The most common circumstance is you create a RW mapping, fill it, > > > > and then change to a more restrictve mapping, and lock it. > > > > > > > > There are a few regions in the addressspace that can be locked while RW. > > > > For instance, the stack. But the kernel does that, not userland. I > > > > found regions where the kernel wants to do this to the address space, > > > > but there is no need to export useless functionality to userland. > > > > > > > I have a feeling that most apps that need to use mmap() in their code > > > are likely using RW mappings. Adding sealing to mmap() could stop > > > those mappings from being executable. Of course, those apps would > > > need to change their code. We can't do it for them. > > > > I don't have a feeling about it. > > > > I spent a year engineering a complete system which exercises the maximum > > amount of memory you can lock. > > > > I saw nothing like what you are describing. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE in my > > drafts, and saw it turning into a dangerous anti-pattern. > > > > > Also, I believe adding this to mmap() has no downsides, only > > > performance gain, as Pedro Falcato pointed out in [1]. > > > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKbZUD2A+=bp_sd+Q0Yif7NJqMu8p__eb4yguq0agEcmLH8SDQ@mail.gmail.com/ > > > > Are you joking? You don't have any code doing that today. More feelings? > > The 'no downside" is to combining two calls together; mmap() & mseal(), > at least that is how I read the linked discussion. > > The common case (since there are no users today) of just calling > mmap()/munmap() will have the downside. > > There will be a performance impact once you have can_modify_mm() doing > more than just returning true. Certainly, the impact will be larger > in munmap where multiple VMAs may need to be checked (assuming that's > the plan?). > > This will require a new and earlier walk of the vma tree while holding > the mmap_lock. Since you are checking (potentially multiple) VMAs for > something, I don't think there is a way around holding the lock. > > I'm not saying the cost will be large, but it will be a positive > non-zero number. For future glibc changes, I predict you will have zero cases where you can call mmap+immutable or mprotect+immutable, I say so, because I ended up having none. You always have to fill the memory. (At first glance you might think it works for a new DSO's BSS, but RELRO overlaps it, and since RELRO mprotect happens quite late, the permission locking is quite delayed relative to the allocation). I think chrome also won't lock memory at allocation. I suspect the generic allocator is quite seperate from the code using the allocation, which knows which objects can have their permissions locked and which objects can't. In OpenBSD, the only cases where we could set immutable at the same time as creating the mapping was in execve, for a new process's stack regions, and that is kernel code, not the userland exposed system call APIs. This change could skip adding PROT_MSEAL today, and add it later when there are facts the need. It's the same with MAP_MSEALABLE. I don't get it. So now there are 3 memory types: - cannot be sealed, ever - not yet sealed - sealed What purpose does the first type serve? Please explain the use case. Today, processes have control over their entire address space. What is the purpose of "permissions cannot be locked". Please supply an example. If I am wrong, I'd like to know where I went wrong.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 2:34 PM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 7:49 AM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > Regarding these pieces > > > > > > > The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > > the map sealed since creation. > > > > > > OpenBSD won't be doing this. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE as a draft. In my > > > research I found basically zero circumstances when you userland does > > > that. The most common circumstance is you create a RW mapping, fill it, > > > and then change to a more restrictve mapping, and lock it. > > > > > > There are a few regions in the addressspace that can be locked while RW. > > > For instance, the stack. But the kernel does that, not userland. I > > > found regions where the kernel wants to do this to the address space, > > > but there is no need to export useless functionality to userland. > > > > > I have a feeling that most apps that need to use mmap() in their code > > are likely using RW mappings. Adding sealing to mmap() could stop > > those mappings from being executable. Of course, those apps would > > need to change their code. We can't do it for them. > > I don't have a feeling about it. > > I spent a year engineering a complete system which exercises the maximum > amount of memory you can lock. > > I saw nothing like what you are describing. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE in my > drafts, and saw it turning into a dangerous anti-pattern. > I'm sorry, I have never looked at one line of openBSD code, prototype or not, nor did I install openBSD before. Because of this situation on my side, I failed to understand why you have such a strong opinion on PROC_SEAL in mmap() in linux kernel, based on your own OpenBSD's experience ? For PROT_SEAL in mmap(), I see it as a good and reasonable suggestion raised during the RFC process, and incorporate it into the patch set, there is nothing more and nothing less. If openBSD doesn't want it, that is fine to me, it is not that I'm trying to force this into openBSD's kernel, I understand it is a different code base. > > Also, I believe adding this to mmap() has no downsides, only > > performance gain, as Pedro Falcato pointed out in [1]. > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKbZUD2A+=bp_sd+Q0Yif7NJqMu8p__eb4yguq0agEcmLH8SDQ@mail.gmail.com/ > > Are you joking? You don't have any code doing that today. More feelings? > > OpenBSD userland has zero places it can use mmap() MAP_IMMUTABLE. > > It has two places where it has mprotect() + mimmutable() adjacent to each > other, two codepaths for late mprotect() of RELRO, and then make the RELRO > immutable. > > I think this idea is a premature optimization, and intentionally incompatible. > > Like I say, I had a similar MAP_ flag for mprotect() and mmap() in my > development trees, and I recognized it was pointless, distracting developers > into the wrong patterns, and I threw it out. > > > > OpenBSD now uses this for a high percent of the address space. It might > > > be worth re-reading a description of the split of responsibility regarding > > > who locks different types of memory in a process; > > > - kernel (the majority, based upon what ELF layout tell us), > > > - shared library linker (the next majority, dealing with shared > > > library mappings and left-overs not determinable at kernel time), > > > - libc (a small minority, mostly regarding forced mutable objects) > > > - and the applications themselves (only 1 application today) > > > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/915662/ > > > > > > > The MAP_SEALABLE bit in the flags field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > > the map as sealable. A map created without MAP_SEALABLE will not support > > > > sealing, i.e. mseal() will fail. > > > > > > We definately won't be doing this. We allow a process to lock any and all > > > it's memory that isn't locked already, even if it means it is shooting > > > itself in the foot. > > > > > > I think you are going to severely hurt the power of this mechanism, > > > because you won't be able to lock memory that has been allocated by a > > > different callsite not under your source-code control which lacks the > > > MAP_SEALABLE flag. (Which is extremely common with the system-parts of > > > a process, meaning not just libc but kernel allocated objects). > > > > > MAP_SEALABLE was an open discussion item called out on V3 [2] and V4 [3]. > > > > I acknowledge that additional coordination would be required if > > mapping were to be allocated by one software component and sealed in > > another. However, this is feasible. > > > > Considering the side effect of not having this flag (as discussed in > > V3/V4) and the significant implications of altering the lifetime of > > the mapping (since unmapping would not be possible), I believe it is > > reasonable to expect developers to exercise additional care and > > caution when utilizing memory sealing. > > > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20231212231706.2680890-2-jeffxu@chromium.org/ > > [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240104185138.169307-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ > > I disagree *strongly*. Developers need to exercise additional care on > memory, period. Memory sealing issues is the least of their worries. > > (Except for handling RELRO, but only the ld.so developers will lose > their hair). > > > OK, so mseal and mimmutable are very different. > > mimmutable can be used by any developer on the address space easily. > > mseal requires control of the whole stack between allocation and consumption. > > I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand how dangerous this MAP_SEALABLE > proposal is because of the difficulties it will create for use. > > The immutable memory management we have today in OpenBSD would completely > impossible with such a flag. Seperation between allocator (that doesn't know > what is going to happen), and consumer (that does know), is completely common > in the systems environment (meaning the interaction between DSO, libc, other > libraries, and the underside of applications). > > This is not not like an application where you can simply sprinkle the flag > into the mmap() calls that cause you problems. That mmap() call is now in > someone else's code, and you CANNOT gain security advantage unless you > convince them to gain an understanding of what that flag means -- and it is > a flag that other Linux variants don't have, not even in their #include > files. > I respect your reasoning with OpenBSD, but do you have a real example that this will be problematic for linux ? In my opinion, the extra communication part with mmap()'s owner has its pros and cons. The cons is what you mentioned: extra time for convincing and approval. The pro is that there won't be unexpected behavior from the code owner point of view, once this communication process is completed. It can reduce the possibility of introducing bugs. So far, I do not have enough information to say this is a bad idea. if you can provide a real example in the context of linux, e.g. DSO and libc you mentioned with details, that will be helpful.
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:58 AM Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote: > > It's the same with MAP_MSEALABLE. I don't get it. So now there are 3 > memory types: > - cannot be sealed, ever > - not yet sealed > - sealed > > What purpose does the first type serve? Please explain the use case. > > Today, processes have control over their entire address space. > > What is the purpose of "permissions cannot be locked". Please supply > an example. If I am wrong, I'd like to know where I went wrong. > The linux example is in the V3 and V4 cover letter [1] [2] of the open discussion section. [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20231212231706.2680890-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/T/ [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20240104185138.169307-3-jeffxu@chromium.org/T/ Copied below for ease of reading. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- During the development of V3, I had new questions and thoughts and wished to discuss. 1> shm/aio From reading the code, it seems to me that aio/shm can mmap/munmap maps on behalf of userspace, e.g. ksys_shmdt() in shm.c. The lifetime of those mapping are not tied to the lifetime of the process. If those memories are sealed from userspace, then unmap will fail. This isn’t a huge problem, since the memory will eventually be freed at exit or exec. However, it feels like the solution is not complete, because of the leaks in VMA address space during the lifetime of the process. 2> Brk (heap/stack) Currently, userspace applications can seal parts of the heap by calling malloc() and mseal(). This raises the question of what the expected behavior is when sealing the heap is attempted. let's assume following calls from user space: ptr = malloc(size); mprotect(ptr, size, RO); mseal(ptr, size, SEAL_PROT_PKEY); free(ptr); Technically, before mseal() is added, the user can change the protection of the heap by calling mprotect(RO). As long as the user changes the protection back to RW before free(), the memory can be reused. Adding mseal() into picture, however, the heap is then sealed partially, user can still free it, but the memory remains to be RO, and the result of brk-shrink is nondeterministic, depending on if munmap() will try to free the sealed memory.(brk uses munmap to shrink the heap). 3> Above two cases led to the third topic: There one option to address the problem mentioned above. Option 1: A “MAP_SEALABLE” flag in mmap(). If a map is created without this flag, the mseal() operation will fail. Applications that are not concerned with sealing will expect their behavior to be unchanged. For those that are concerned, adding a flag at mmap time to opt in is not difficult. For the short term, this solves problems 1 and 2 above. The memory in shm/aio/brk will not have the MAP_SEALABLE flag at mmap(), and the same is true for the heap. If we choose not to go with path, all mapping will by default sealable. We could document above mentioned limitations so devs are more careful at the time to choose what memory to seal. I think deny of service through mseal() by attacker is probably not a concern, if attackers have access to mseal() and unsealed memory, then they can also do other harmful thing to the memory, such as munmap, etc. 4> I think it might be possible to seal the stack or other special mappings created at runtime (vdso, vsyscall, vvar). This means we can enforce and seal W^X for certain types of application. For instance, the stack is typically used in read-write mode, but in some cases, it can become executable. To defend against unintented addition of executable bit to stack, we could let the application to seal it. Sealing the heap (for adding X) requires special handling, since the heap can shrink, and shrink is implemented through munmap(). Indeed, it might be possible that all virtual memory accessible to user space, regardless of its usage pattern, could be sealed. However, this would require additional research and development work. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> wrote: > > I don't have a feeling about it. > > > > I spent a year engineering a complete system which exercises the maximum > > amount of memory you can lock. > > > > I saw nothing like what you are describing. I had PROT_IMMUTABLE in my > > drafts, and saw it turning into a dangerous anti-pattern. > > > I'm sorry, I have never looked at one line of openBSD code, prototype > or not, nor did I install openBSD before. That is really disingeneous. It is obvious to everyone that mseal is a derivative of the mimmutable mechanism, the raw idea stems directly from this and you didn't need to stay at a Holiday Express Inn. > Because of this situation on my side, I failed to understand why you > have such a strong opinion on PROC_SEAL in mmap() in linux kernel, > based on your own OpenBSD's experience ? Portable and compatible interfaces are good. Historically, incompatible interfaces are less good. > For PROT_SEAL in mmap(), I see it as a good and reasonable suggestion > raised during the RFC process, and incorporate it into the patch set, > there is nothing more and nothing less. Yet, you and those who suggested it don't have a single line of userland code ready which will use this. > If openBSD doesn't want it, that is fine to me, it is not that I'm > trying to force this into openBSD's kernel, I understand it is a > different code base. This has nothing to do with code base. It is about attempting to decrease differences between systems; this approach which has always been valuable. Divergence has always been painful. > > > > OpenBSD now uses this for a high percent of the address space. It might > > > > be worth re-reading a description of the split of responsibility regarding > > > > who locks different types of memory in a process; > > > > - kernel (the majority, based upon what ELF layout tell us), > > > > - shared library linker (the next majority, dealing with shared > > > > library mappings and left-overs not determinable at kernel time), > > > > - libc (a small minority, mostly regarding forced mutable objects) > > > > - and the applications themselves (only 1 application today) > > > > > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/915662/ > > > > > > > > > The MAP_SEALABLE bit in the flags field of mmap(). When present, it marks > > > > > the map as sealable. A map created without MAP_SEALABLE will not support > > > > > sealing, i.e. mseal() will fail. > > > > > > > > We definately won't be doing this. We allow a process to lock any and all > > > > it's memory that isn't locked already, even if it means it is shooting > > > > itself in the foot. > > > > > > > > I think you are going to severely hurt the power of this mechanism, > > > > because you won't be able to lock memory that has been allocated by a > > > > different callsite not under your source-code control which lacks the > > > > MAP_SEALABLE flag. (Which is extremely common with the system-parts of > > > > a process, meaning not just libc but kernel allocated objects). > > > > > > > MAP_SEALABLE was an open discussion item called out on V3 [2] and V4 [3]. > > > > > > I acknowledge that additional coordination would be required if > > > mapping were to be allocated by one software component and sealed in > > > another. However, this is feasible. > > > > > > Considering the side effect of not having this flag (as discussed in > > > V3/V4) and the significant implications of altering the lifetime of > > > the mapping (since unmapping would not be possible), I believe it is > > > reasonable to expect developers to exercise additional care and > > > caution when utilizing memory sealing. > > > > > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20231212231706.2680890-2-jeffxu@chromium.org/ > > > [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240104185138.169307-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ > > > > I disagree *strongly*. Developers need to exercise additional care on > > memory, period. Memory sealing issues is the least of their worries. > > > > (Except for handling RELRO, but only the ld.so developers will lose > > their hair). > > > > > > OK, so mseal and mimmutable are very different. > > > > mimmutable can be used by any developer on the address space easily. > > > > mseal requires control of the whole stack between allocation and consumption. > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand how dangerous this MAP_SEALABLE > > proposal is because of the difficulties it will create for use. > > > > The immutable memory management we have today in OpenBSD would completely > > impossible with such a flag. Seperation between allocator (that doesn't know > > what is going to happen), and consumer (that does know), is completely common > > in the systems environment (meaning the interaction between DSO, libc, other > > libraries, and the underside of applications). > > > > This is not not like an application where you can simply sprinkle the flag > > into the mmap() calls that cause you problems. That mmap() call is now in > > someone else's code, and you CANNOT gain security advantage unless you > > convince them to gain an understanding of what that flag means -- and it is > > a flag that other Linux variants don't have, not even in their #include > > files. > > > I respect your reasoning with OpenBSD, but do you have a real example > that this will be problematic for linux ? See below. > In my opinion, the extra communication part with mmap()'s owner has > its pros and cons. See below. > The cons is what you mentioned: extra time for convincing and approval. No, it is much worse than that. See below. > The pro is that there won't be unexpected behavior from the code owner > point of view, once this communication process is completed. It can > reduce the possibility of introducing bugs. > > So far, I do not have enough information to say this is a bad idea. > if you can provide a real example in the context of linux, e.g. DSO > and libc you mentioned with details, that will be helpful. Does the kernel map the main program's text segment, data segment, bss segment, and stack with MAP_SEALABLE or without MAP_SEALABLE? Once it is mapped, userland starts running. If those objects don't have MAP_SEALABLE, then ld.so and libc cannot perform locking of those mappings. And ld.so or libc must do some of those lockings later, some of these map lockings cannot be performed in the kernel because userland makes data modifications and permission modifications before proceeding into main(). This is unavoidable, because of RELRO; binaries with text relocation; binaries with W|X mappings; it is probably required for IFUNC setup; and I strongly suspect there are additional circumstances which require this, *just for glibc* to use the mechanism. If the kernel does map those regions with MAP_SEALABLE, then it seems the most important parts of the address space are going to have MAP_SEALABLE anyways. So what were you trying to defend against? So why are you doing this MAP_SEALABLE dance? It makes no sense. I'm sorry, but it is you who must justify these strange semantics which you are introducing -- to change a mechanism previously engineered and fully deployed in another operating system. To me, not being able to justify these behavious seems to be based on intentional ignorance. "Not Invented Here", is what I see. You say glibc will use this. I call bollocks. I see a specific behaviour which will prevent use by glibc. I designed my mechanism with libc specifically considered -- it was a whole system environment. You work on chrome. You don't work on glibc. The glibc people aren't publically talking about this. From my perspective, this is looking really dumb.
jeffxu@chromium.org writes: > Although the initial version of this patch series is targeting the > Chrome browser as its first user, it became evident during upstream > discussions that we would also want to ensure that the patch set > eventually is a complete solution for memory sealing and compatible > with other use cases. The specific scenario currently in mind is > glibc's use case of loading and sealing ELF executables. To this end, > Stephen is working on a change to glibc to add sealing support to the > dynamic linker, which will seal all non-writable segments at startup. > Once this work is completed, all applications will be able to > automatically benefit from these new protections. Is this work posted somewhere? Having a second - and more generally useful - user for this API would do a lot to show that the design is, in fact, right and useful beyond the Chrome browser. Thanks, jon
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 2:37 PM Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> wrote: > > jeffxu@chromium.org writes: > > > Although the initial version of this patch series is targeting the > > Chrome browser as its first user, it became evident during upstream > > discussions that we would also want to ensure that the patch set > > eventually is a complete solution for memory sealing and compatible > > with other use cases. The specific scenario currently in mind is > > glibc's use case of loading and sealing ELF executables. To this end, > > Stephen is working on a change to glibc to add sealing support to the > > dynamic linker, which will seal all non-writable segments at startup. > > Once this work is completed, all applications will be able to > > automatically benefit from these new protections. > > Is this work posted somewhere? Having a second - and more generally > useful - user for this API would do a lot to show that the design is, in > fact, right and useful beyond the Chrome browser. > Stephen conducted a PoC last year, it will be published once it is complete. We're super excited about introducing this as a general safety measure for all of Linux! Thanks -Jeff > Thanks, > > jon
Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> writes: > On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 2:37 PM Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> wrote: >> >> jeffxu@chromium.org writes: >> >> > Although the initial version of this patch series is targeting the >> > Chrome browser as its first user, it became evident during upstream >> > discussions that we would also want to ensure that the patch set >> > eventually is a complete solution for memory sealing and compatible >> > with other use cases. The specific scenario currently in mind is >> > glibc's use case of loading and sealing ELF executables. To this end, >> > Stephen is working on a change to glibc to add sealing support to the >> > dynamic linker, which will seal all non-writable segments at startup. >> > Once this work is completed, all applications will be able to >> > automatically benefit from these new protections. >> >> Is this work posted somewhere? Having a second - and more generally >> useful - user for this API would do a lot to show that the design is, in >> fact, right and useful beyond the Chrome browser. >> > Stephen conducted a PoC last year, it will be published once it is complete. > We're super excited about introducing this as a general safety measure > for all of Linux! We're excited too, something like mseal() seems like a good thing to have. My point, though, is that it would be good to see this second (and more general) user of the API *before* merging it. As others have noted, once mseal() is in a released kernel, it will be difficult to change if adjustments turn out to be necessary. Thanks, jon
From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org> This patchset proposes a new mseal() syscall for the Linux kernel. In a nutshell, mseal() protects the VMAs of a given virtual memory range against modifications, such as changes to their permission bits. Modern CPUs support memory permissions, such as the read/write (RW) and no-execute (NX) bits. Linux has supported NX since the release of kernel version 2.6.8 in August 2004 [1]. The memory permission feature improves the security stance on memory corruption bugs, as an attacker cannot simply write to arbitrary memory and point the code to it. The memory must be marked with the X bit, or else an exception will occur. Internally, the kernel maintains the memory permissions in a data structure called VMA (vm_area_struct). mseal() additionally protects the VMA itself against modifications of the selected seal type. Memory sealing is useful to mitigate memory corruption issues where a corrupted pointer is passed to a memory management system. For example, such an attacker primitive can break control-flow integrity guarantees since read-only memory that is supposed to be trusted can become writable or .text pages can get remapped. Memory sealing can automatically be applied by the runtime loader to seal .text and .rodata pages and applications can additionally seal security critical data at runtime. A similar feature already exists in the XNU kernel with the VM_FLAGS_PERMANENT [3] flag and on OpenBSD with the mimmutable syscall [4]. Also, Chrome wants to adopt this feature for their CFI work [2] and this patchset has been designed to be compatible with the Chrome use case. Two system calls are involved in sealing the map: mmap() and mseal(). The new mseal() is an syscall on 64 bit CPU, and with following signature: int mseal(void addr, size_t len, unsigned long flags) addr/len: memory range. flags: reserved. mseal() blocks following operations for the given memory range. 1> Unmapping, moving to another location, and shrinking the size, via munmap() and mremap(), can leave an empty space, therefore can be replaced with a VMA with a new set of attributes. 2> Moving or expanding a different VMA into the current location, via mremap(). 3> Modifying a VMA via mmap(MAP_FIXED). 4> Size expansion, via mremap(), does not appear to pose any specific risks to sealed VMAs. It is included anyway because the use case is unclear. In any case, users can rely on merging to expand a sealed VMA. 5> mprotect() and pkey_mprotect(). 6> Some destructive madvice() behaviors (e.g. MADV_DONTNEED) for anonymous memory, when users don't have write permission to the memory. Those behaviors can alter region contents by discarding pages, effectively a memset(0) for anonymous memory. In addition: mmap() has two related changes. The PROT_SEAL bit in prot field of mmap(). When present, it marks the map sealed since creation. The MAP_SEALABLE bit in the flags field of mmap(). When present, it marks the map as sealable. A map created without MAP_SEALABLE will not support sealing, i.e. mseal() will fail. Applications that don't care about sealing will expect their behavior unchanged. For those that need sealing support, opt-in by adding MAP_SEALABLE in mmap(). The idea that inspired this patch comes from Stephen Röttger’s work in V8 CFI [5]. Chrome browser in ChromeOS will be the first user of this API. Indeed, the Chrome browser has very specific requirements for sealing, which are distinct from those of most applications. For example, in the case of libc, sealing is only applied to read-only (RO) or read-execute (RX) memory segments (such as .text and .RELRO) to prevent them from becoming writable, the lifetime of those mappings are tied to the lifetime of the process. Chrome wants to seal two large address space reservations that are managed by different allocators. The memory is mapped RW- and RWX respectively but write access to it is restricted using pkeys (or in the future ARM permission overlay extensions). The lifetime of those mappings are not tied to the lifetime of the process, therefore, while the memory is sealed, the allocators still need to free or discard the unused memory. For example, with madvise(DONTNEED). However, always allowing madvise(DONTNEED) on this range poses a security risk. For example if a jump instruction crosses a page boundary and the second page gets discarded, it will overwrite the target bytes with zeros and change the control flow. Checking write-permission before the discard operation allows us to control when the operation is valid. In this case, the madvise will only succeed if the executing thread has PKEY write permissions and PKRU changes are protected in software by control-flow integrity. Although the initial version of this patch series is targeting the Chrome browser as its first user, it became evident during upstream discussions that we would also want to ensure that the patch set eventually is a complete solution for memory sealing and compatible with other use cases. The specific scenario currently in mind is glibc's use case of loading and sealing ELF executables. To this end, Stephen is working on a change to glibc to add sealing support to the dynamic linker, which will seal all non-writable segments at startup. Once this work is completed, all applications will be able to automatically benefit from these new protections. In closing, I would like to formally acknowledge the valuable contributions received during the RFC process, which were instrumental in shaping this patch: Jann Horn: raising awareness and providing valuable insights on the destructive madvise operations. Linus Torvalds: assisting in defining system call signature and scope. Pedro Falcato: suggesting sealing in the mmap(). Theo de Raadt: sharing the experiences and insights gained from implementing mimmutable() in OpenBSD. Change history: =============== V7: - fix index.rst (Randy Dunlap) - fix arm build (Randy Dunlap) - return EPERM for blocked operations (Theo de Raadt) V6: - Drop RFC from subject, Given Linus's general approval. - Adjust syscall number for mseal (main Jan.11/2024) - Code style fix (Matthew Wilcox) - selftest: use ksft macros (Muhammad Usama Anjum) - Document fix. (Randy Dunlap) https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240111234142.2944934-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ V5: - fix build issue in mseal-Wire-up-mseal-syscall (Suggested by Linus Torvalds, and Greg KH) - updates on selftest. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240109154547.1839886-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/#r V4: (Suggested by Linus Torvalds) - new signature: mseal(start,len,flags) - 32 bit is not supported. vm_seal is removed, use vm_flags instead. - single bit in vm_flags for sealed state. - CONFIG_MSEAL kernel config is removed. - single bit of PROT_SEAL in the "Prot" field of mmap(). Other changes: - update selftest (Suggested by Muhammad Usama Anjum) - update documentation. https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240104185138.169307-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ V3: - Abandon per-syscall approach, (Suggested by Linus Torvalds). - Organize sealing types around their functionality, such as MM_SEAL_BASE, MM_SEAL_PROT_PKEY. - Extend the scope of sealing from calls originated in userspace to both kernel and userspace. (Suggested by Linus Torvalds) - Add seal type support in mmap(). (Suggested by Pedro Falcato) - Add a new sealing type: MM_SEAL_DISCARD_RO_ANON to prevent destructive operations of madvise. (Suggested by Jann Horn and Stephen Röttger) - Make sealed VMAs mergeable. (Suggested by Jann Horn) - Add MAP_SEALABLE to mmap() - Add documentation - mseal.rst https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20231212231706.2680890-2-jeffxu@chromium.org/ v2: Use _BITUL to define MM_SEAL_XX type. Use unsigned long for seal type in sys_mseal() and other functions. Remove internal VM_SEAL_XX type and convert_user_seal_type(). Remove MM_ACTION_XX type. Remove caller_origin(ON_BEHALF_OF_XX) and replace with sealing bitmask. Add more comments in code. Add a detailed commit message. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231017090815.1067790-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ v1: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231016143828.647848-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- [1] https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_8 [2] https://v8.dev/blog/control-flow-integrity [3] https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/blob/1031c584a5e37aff177559b9f69dbd3c8c3fd30a/osfmk/mach/vm_statistics.h#L274 [4] https://man.openbsd.org/mimmutable.2 [5] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O2jwK4dxI3nRcOJuPYkonhTkNQfbmwdvxQMyXgeaRHo/edit#heading=h.bvaojj9fu6hc [6] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAG48ez3ShUYey+ZAFsU2i1RpQn0a5eOs2hzQ426FkcgnfUGLvA@mail.gmail.com/ [7] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230515130553.2311248-1-jeffxu@chromium.org/ Jeff Xu (4): mseal: Wire up mseal syscall mseal: add mseal syscall selftest mm/mseal memory sealing mseal:add documentation Documentation/userspace-api/index.rst | 1 + Documentation/userspace-api/mseal.rst | 183 ++ arch/alpha/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/arm/tools/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/arm64/include/asm/unistd.h | 2 +- arch/arm64/include/asm/unistd32.h | 2 + arch/m68k/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/microblaze/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/mips/kernel/syscalls/syscall_n32.tbl | 1 + arch/mips/kernel/syscalls/syscall_n64.tbl | 1 + arch/mips/kernel/syscalls/syscall_o32.tbl | 1 + arch/parisc/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/powerpc/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/s390/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/sh/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/sparc/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + arch/x86/entry/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl | 1 + arch/x86/entry/syscalls/syscall_64.tbl | 1 + arch/xtensa/kernel/syscalls/syscall.tbl | 1 + include/linux/mm.h | 48 + include/linux/syscalls.h | 1 + include/uapi/asm-generic/mman-common.h | 8 + include/uapi/asm-generic/unistd.h | 5 +- kernel/sys_ni.c | 1 + mm/Makefile | 4 + mm/madvise.c | 12 + mm/mmap.c | 27 + mm/mprotect.c | 10 + mm/mremap.c | 31 + mm/mseal.c | 343 ++++ tools/testing/selftests/mm/.gitignore | 1 + tools/testing/selftests/mm/Makefile | 1 + tools/testing/selftests/mm/mseal_test.c | 1997 +++++++++++++++++++ 33 files changed, 2690 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) create mode 100644 Documentation/userspace-api/mseal.rst create mode 100644 mm/mseal.c create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/mm/mseal_test.c