| Message ID | 20250211004054.222931-6-npache@redhat.com (mailing list archive) |
|---|---|
| State | New |
| Headers | show |
| Series | mm: introduce THP deferred setting | expand |
On 11/02/2025 00:40, Nico Pache wrote: > Now that we have mTHP support in khugepaged, lets add it to the > transhuge admin guide to provide proper guidance. > I think you should move this patch to the mTHP khugepaged series, and just send THP=defer separately from mTHP khguepaged. > Signed-off-by: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com> > --- > Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst | 22 ++++++++++++++++------ > 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst > index b3b18573bbb4..99ba3763c1c4 100644 > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst > @@ -63,7 +63,7 @@ often. > THP can be enabled system wide or restricted to certain tasks or even > memory ranges inside task's address space. Unless THP is completely > disabled, there is ``khugepaged`` daemon that scans memory and > -collapses sequences of basic pages into PMD-sized huge pages. > +collapses sequences of basic pages into huge pages. > > The THP behaviour is controlled via :ref:`sysfs <thp_sysfs>` > interface and using madvise(2) and prctl(2) system calls. > @@ -103,8 +103,8 @@ madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) on their critical mmapped regions. > Applications that would like to benefit from THPs but would still like a > more memory conservative approach can choose 'defer'. This avoids > inserting THPs at the page fault handler unless they are MADV_HUGEPAGE. > -Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into PMD > -sized pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider > +Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into (m)THP > +pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider > tweaking khugepaged/max_ptes_none. The current default of 511 may > aggressively collapse your PTEs into PMDs. Lower this value to conserve > more memory (ie. max_ptes_none=64). > @@ -119,11 +119,14 @@ Global THP controls > > Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled > (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE > -regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled > -system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: > +regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources), defered to > +khugepaged, or enabled system wide. > + > +This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: > > echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > + echo defer >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > > where <size> is the hugepage size being addressed, the available sizes > @@ -155,6 +158,13 @@ hugepage sizes have enabled="never". If enabling multiple hugepage > sizes, the kernel will select the most appropriate enabled size for a > given allocation. > > +khugepaged use max_ptes_none scaled to the order of the enabled mTHP size to > +determine collapses. When using mTHPs its recommended to set max_ptes_none low. > +Ideally less than HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2 (255 on 4k page size). This will prevent > +undesired "creep" behavior that leads to continously collapsing to a larger > +mTHP size. max_ptes_shared and max_ptes_swap have no effect when collapsing to a > +mTHP, and mTHP collapse will fail on shared or swapped out pages. > + This paragraph definitely belongs in the khugepaged series, as it doesn't have anything to do with THP=defer. re "Ideally less than HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2", what if you are running on amd, and using 16K and 2M THP=always only as, thats where the most TLB benefit is. Than this recommendation doesnt make sense? Also even if you have all mTHP sizes as always, shouldnt you start by collapsing to the largest THP size first? (I haven't reviewed the khugepaged series yet, so might be have been discussed there, I will try and review it). Did you see the creep behavior you mentioned in your experiments? > It's also possible to limit defrag efforts in the VM to generate > anonymous hugepages in case they're not immediately free to madvise > regions or to never try to defrag memory and simply fallback to regular > @@ -318,7 +328,7 @@ Alternatively, each supported anonymous THP size can be controlled by > passing ``thp_anon=<size>[KMG],<size>[KMG]:<state>;<size>[KMG]-<size>[KMG]:<state>``, > where ``<size>`` is the THP size (must be a power of 2 of PAGE_SIZE and > supported anonymous THP) and ``<state>`` is one of ``always``, ``madvise``, > -``never`` or ``inherit``. > +``defer``, ``never`` or ``inherit``. > > For example, the following will set 16K, 32K, 64K THP to ``always``, > set 128K, 512K to ``inherit``, set 256K to ``madvise`` and 1M, 2M
On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 8:14 AM Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 11/02/2025 00:40, Nico Pache wrote: > > Now that we have mTHP support in khugepaged, lets add it to the > > transhuge admin guide to provide proper guidance. > > > > I think you should move this patch to the mTHP khugepaged series, and just send > THP=defer separately from mTHP khguepaged. > > > Signed-off-by: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com> > > --- > > Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst | 22 ++++++++++++++++------ > > 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst > > index b3b18573bbb4..99ba3763c1c4 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst > > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst > > @@ -63,7 +63,7 @@ often. > > THP can be enabled system wide or restricted to certain tasks or even > > memory ranges inside task's address space. Unless THP is completely > > disabled, there is ``khugepaged`` daemon that scans memory and > > -collapses sequences of basic pages into PMD-sized huge pages. > > +collapses sequences of basic pages into huge pages. > > > > The THP behaviour is controlled via :ref:`sysfs <thp_sysfs>` > > interface and using madvise(2) and prctl(2) system calls. > > @@ -103,8 +103,8 @@ madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) on their critical mmapped regions. > > Applications that would like to benefit from THPs but would still like a > > more memory conservative approach can choose 'defer'. This avoids > > inserting THPs at the page fault handler unless they are MADV_HUGEPAGE. > > -Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into PMD > > -sized pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider > > +Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into (m)THP > > +pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider > > tweaking khugepaged/max_ptes_none. The current default of 511 may > > aggressively collapse your PTEs into PMDs. Lower this value to conserve > > more memory (ie. max_ptes_none=64). > > @@ -119,11 +119,14 @@ Global THP controls > > > > Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled > > (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE > > -regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled > > -system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: > > +regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources), defered to > > +khugepaged, or enabled system wide. > > + > > +This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: > > > > echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > > echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > > + echo defer >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > > echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled > > > > where <size> is the hugepage size being addressed, the available sizes > > @@ -155,6 +158,13 @@ hugepage sizes have enabled="never". If enabling multiple hugepage > > sizes, the kernel will select the most appropriate enabled size for a > > given allocation. > > > > +khugepaged use max_ptes_none scaled to the order of the enabled mTHP size to > > +determine collapses. When using mTHPs its recommended to set max_ptes_none low. > > +Ideally less than HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2 (255 on 4k page size). This will prevent > > +undesired "creep" behavior that leads to continously collapsing to a larger > > +mTHP size. max_ptes_shared and max_ptes_swap have no effect when collapsing to a > > +mTHP, and mTHP collapse will fail on shared or swapped out pages. > > + > > This paragraph definitely belongs in the khugepaged series, as it doesn't have anything > to do with THP=defer. > > re "Ideally less than HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2", > what if you are running on amd, and using 16K and 2M THP=always only as, thats where > the most TLB benefit is. Than this recommendation doesnt make sense? That may be correct, I believe the creep requires two adjacent mTHP levels ( ie 512kb, 1024kb) to be enabled for the issue to really present. Although with max_ptes_none=511, you will almost always satisfy the collapse request, so your 16Kb mTHPs will be promoted to PMDs. I dont believe 511 is a good default if using mTHPs. > > Also even if you have all mTHP sizes as always, shouldnt you start by collapsing to > the largest THP size first? (I haven't reviewed the khugepaged series yet, so might > be have been discussed there, I will try and review it). We do start at the largest first. The creep happens on a second pass of the PMD, not immediately in the same collapse. > > Did you see the creep behavior you mentioned in your experiments? Yes, I provided an example of how it happens here. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAA1CXcDiGLD=dZpFRyAuz4TLrVZZYGp=u7=Z9Q+g9RXbf-s2nA@mail.gmail.com/ > > > > It's also possible to limit defrag efforts in the VM to generate > > anonymous hugepages in case they're not immediately free to madvise > > regions or to never try to defrag memory and simply fallback to regular > > @@ -318,7 +328,7 @@ Alternatively, each supported anonymous THP size can be controlled by > > passing ``thp_anon=<size>[KMG],<size>[KMG]:<state>;<size>[KMG]-<size>[KMG]:<state>``, > > where ``<size>`` is the THP size (must be a power of 2 of PAGE_SIZE and > > supported anonymous THP) and ``<state>`` is one of ``always``, ``madvise``, > > -``never`` or ``inherit``. > > +``defer``, ``never`` or ``inherit``. > > > > For example, the following will set 16K, 32K, 64K THP to ``always``, > > set 128K, 512K to ``inherit``, set 256K to ``madvise`` and 1M, 2M >
diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst index b3b18573bbb4..99ba3763c1c4 100644 --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst @@ -63,7 +63,7 @@ often. THP can be enabled system wide or restricted to certain tasks or even memory ranges inside task's address space. Unless THP is completely disabled, there is ``khugepaged`` daemon that scans memory and -collapses sequences of basic pages into PMD-sized huge pages. +collapses sequences of basic pages into huge pages. The THP behaviour is controlled via :ref:`sysfs <thp_sysfs>` interface and using madvise(2) and prctl(2) system calls. @@ -103,8 +103,8 @@ madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) on their critical mmapped regions. Applications that would like to benefit from THPs but would still like a more memory conservative approach can choose 'defer'. This avoids inserting THPs at the page fault handler unless they are MADV_HUGEPAGE. -Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into PMD -sized pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider +Khugepaged will then scan the mappings for potential collapses into (m)THP +pages. Admins using this the 'defer' setting should consider tweaking khugepaged/max_ptes_none. The current default of 511 may aggressively collapse your PTEs into PMDs. Lower this value to conserve more memory (ie. max_ptes_none=64). @@ -119,11 +119,14 @@ Global THP controls Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE -regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled -system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: +regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources), defered to +khugepaged, or enabled system wide. + +This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled + echo defer >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled where <size> is the hugepage size being addressed, the available sizes @@ -155,6 +158,13 @@ hugepage sizes have enabled="never". If enabling multiple hugepage sizes, the kernel will select the most appropriate enabled size for a given allocation. +khugepaged use max_ptes_none scaled to the order of the enabled mTHP size to +determine collapses. When using mTHPs its recommended to set max_ptes_none low. +Ideally less than HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2 (255 on 4k page size). This will prevent +undesired "creep" behavior that leads to continously collapsing to a larger +mTHP size. max_ptes_shared and max_ptes_swap have no effect when collapsing to a +mTHP, and mTHP collapse will fail on shared or swapped out pages. + It's also possible to limit defrag efforts in the VM to generate anonymous hugepages in case they're not immediately free to madvise regions or to never try to defrag memory and simply fallback to regular @@ -318,7 +328,7 @@ Alternatively, each supported anonymous THP size can be controlled by passing ``thp_anon=<size>[KMG],<size>[KMG]:<state>;<size>[KMG]-<size>[KMG]:<state>``, where ``<size>`` is the THP size (must be a power of 2 of PAGE_SIZE and supported anonymous THP) and ``<state>`` is one of ``always``, ``madvise``, -``never`` or ``inherit``. +``defer``, ``never`` or ``inherit``. For example, the following will set 16K, 32K, 64K THP to ``always``, set 128K, 512K to ``inherit``, set 256K to ``madvise`` and 1M, 2M
Now that we have mTHP support in khugepaged, lets add it to the transhuge admin guide to provide proper guidance. Signed-off-by: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com> --- Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst | 22 ++++++++++++++++------ 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)