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[v4,3/4] migration/doc: How to migrate when hosts have different features

Message ID 20231018112827.1325-4-quintela@redhat.com (mailing list archive)
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Juan Quintela Oct. 18, 2023, 11:28 a.m. UTC
Sometimes devices have different features depending of things outside
of qemu.  For instance the kernel.  Document how to handle that cases.

Signed-off-by: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>

---

If you have some example to put here, I am all ears.  I guess that
virtio-* with some features that are on qemu but not on all kernel
would do the trick, but I am not a virtio guru myself.  Patches
welcome.
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 docs/devel/migration.rst | 97 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 97 insertions(+)

Comments

Fabiano Rosas Oct. 19, 2023, 9:15 p.m. UTC | #1
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com> writes:

> Sometimes devices have different features depending of things outside
> of qemu.  For instance the kernel.  Document how to handle that cases.
>
> Signed-off-by: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
> Acked-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
> ---

Reviewed-by: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
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diff --git a/docs/devel/migration.rst b/docs/devel/migration.rst
index 6fe275b1ec..974505e4a7 100644
--- a/docs/devel/migration.rst
+++ b/docs/devel/migration.rst
@@ -1138,3 +1138,100 @@  machine types to have the right value::
     +    { "virtio-blk-device", "num-queues", "1"},
          ...
      };
+
+A device with diferent features on both sides
+---------------------------------------------
+
+Let's assume that we are using the same QEMU binary on both sides,
+just to make the things easier.  But we have a device that has
+different features on both sides of the migration.  That can be
+because the devices are different, because the kernel driver of both
+devices have different features, whatever.
+
+How can we get this to work with migration.  The way to do that is
+"theoretically" easy.  You have to get the features that the device
+has in the source of the migration.  The features that the device has
+on the target of the migration, you get the intersection of the
+features of both sides, and that is the way that you should launch
+QEMU.
+
+Notice that this is not completely related to QEMU.  The most
+important thing here is that this should be handled by the managing
+application that launches QEMU.  If QEMU is configured correctly, the
+migration will succeed.
+
+That said, actually doing it is complicated.  Almost all devices are
+bad at being able to be launched with only some features enabled.
+With one big exception: cpus.
+
+You can read the documentation for QEMU x86 cpu models here:
+
+https://qemu-project.gitlab.io/qemu/system/qemu-cpu-models.html
+
+See when they talk about migration they recommend that one chooses the
+newest cpu model that is supported for all cpus.
+
+Let's say that we have:
+
+Host A:
+
+Device X has the feature Y
+
+Host B:
+
+Device X has not the feature Y
+
+If we try to migrate without any care from host A to host B, it will
+fail because when migration tries to load the feature Y on
+destination, it will find that the hardware is not there.
+
+Doing this would be the equivalent of doing with cpus:
+
+Host A:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host
+
+Host B:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host
+
+When both hosts have different cpu features this is guaranteed to
+fail.  Especially if Host B has less features than host A.  If host A
+has less features than host B, sometimes it works.  Important word of
+last sentence is "sometimes".
+
+So, forgetting about cpu models and continuing with the -cpu host
+example, let's see that the differences of the cpus is that Host A and
+B have the following features:
+
+Features:   'pcid'  'stibp' 'taa-no'
+Host A:        X       X
+Host B:                        X
+
+And we want to migrate between them, the way configure both QEMU cpu
+will be:
+
+Host A:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host,pcid=off,stibp=off
+
+Host B:
+
+$ qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu host,taa-no=off
+
+And you would be able to migrate between them.  It is responsability
+of the management application or of the user to make sure that the
+configuration is correct.  QEMU doesn't know how to look at this kind
+of features in general.
+
+Notice that we don't recomend to use -cpu host for migration.  It is
+used in this example because it makes the example simpler.
+
+Other devices have worse control about individual features.  If they
+want to be able to migrate between hosts that show different features,
+the device needs a way to configure which ones it is going to use.
+
+In this section we have considered that we are using the same QEMU
+binary in both sides of the migration.  If we use different QEMU
+versions process, then we need to have into account all other
+differences and the examples become even more complicated.